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#2991541 3-Nov-2022 15:40

Idle fee's & if it should cars that have finished charging with the charge port remotely unlocked.

In many cases the car parking spaces are the capacity constraint. As a couple of examples:

- Bombay hypercharger has only 4 car parks despite having the ability to charge 6 cars at a time (cable might be able to reach the adjacent car-parks if they are vacant by chance.

- charge.net has received it's first shipment of Tritium RTM75 chargers. Unlike the more common RT50 charger, the RTM75 can use both of it's charge cords at the same time. Hopefully we will see more such chargers in the future.

- Many Newer EV's have the charge ports mounted between the axles. Often requires them to park in a particular spot to charge (unless the chargers have really long cables). Once when I was charging at the walkworth charge.net charger, and the car (Jag? audi?) that was waiting after me, couldn't without me vacating my bay (despite the car being a CCS car, and me being parked on the Chademo side).

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Pricier than Supercharging even. I believe the most expensive Superchargers are at 80c/kWh.

@17kwh/100km, 80c/Kwh is ~$13/100kwh.. at a 91 price of $2.50/litre, that's ~5l/100km....

Starts to really erode the economics if you don't have access to home charging....

Frankly, economics were already bad at 60c/kWh or 25c/kWh + 25c/min. ($10.2/100km @ 17kWh/100km)

Never going to pay back the additional capital cost of an ev vs say a yaris hybrid (3.6L/100km, $9/100km) public charging.

We are still in the eairly adopter phase. I would not recommend EV ownership at the moment for somebody who can't charge at home. Convenient and cheap home charging is essential to making EV's stack up in my book.

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#2991545 3-Nov-2022 15:56

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jonathan18: I’d be interested to know what proportion of EV owners in NZ don’t charge at home for a significant proportion of their regular charging; I imagine it’s pretty small.

In terms of current owners it's probably quite small, but there must be a lot of potential EV purchasers who have held off because their lack of a garage means that an EV isn't viable. In my case, I have an apartment car park with no access to electricity.

It's for this very group that the Genesis/Chargenet arrangement could be a game changer - I'm not sure if you know about this, but essentially it allows those on this particular Genesis plan to use Chargenet chargers but be charged based on their home rates (and pay for it via their Genesis bill). See https://www.genesisenergy.co.nz/for-home/products/electric-vehicles/everywhere.

I'm not sure if there's been any announcement on what impact (if any) the new Chargenet charges will have on this plan - does anyone know this?

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#2991634 3-Nov-2022 18:18

ID.4 and ID.5: VW flags price parity with fossil fuel cars for its first EVs in Australia.

But as they say in the article, the devil may be in the detail?

https://thedriven.io/2022/11/02/id-4-and-id-5-vw-flags-price-parity-with-fossil-fuel-cars-for-its-first-evs-in-australia/

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#2991729 4-Nov-2022 08:39

On first glance the new Chargenet pricing looks like a significant cost increase but the per minute charge really did add a lot to the pricing.

I compared my last few 50kw chargers and the new rate will only add a few dollars to the bill, and I am quite some distance from any 150/300kw chargers so they don't factor. (I know the Nelson/Richmond chargers are currently 40c per kw with no per minute charge, so I wonder if they will increase to 80c or are part of the few that the owner decides the rate ion)

I am ok with the price increases, especially if it means the extra money goes into more charging infrastructure.
I would love to see 25/50kw chargers replaced with the 75kw dual chargers everywhere

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#2991735 4-Nov-2022 09:19

Scott3:

I would not recommend EV ownership at the moment for somebody who can't charge at home. Convenient and cheap home charging is essential to making EV's stack up in my book.

Are their likely to be many EV buyers who can't charge at home? I would think it would be quite a brave strategy for someone to rely on fast charging. Other than the fact you're not burning petrol I imagine there's quite a time cost to rely on charging at public stations.

This is my biggest dilemma with electric and my work vehicle. The range is getting there, but I'd have dedicate time each day to finding a fast charger. Or drape an extension cord out of four motel windows per week. Some fast chargers are popping up at hotels, but I'd say there is probably one per normal park.

That said, if I had a normal job and could afford a new car I'd be all over electric in a heart beat.

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#2991739 4-Nov-2022 09:46

nzkiwiman:

On first glance the new Chargenet pricing looks like a significant cost increase but the per minute charge really did add a lot to the pricing.

I compared my last few 50kw chargers and the new rate will only add a few dollars to the bill, and I am quite some distance from any 150/300kw chargers so they don't factor. (I know the Nelson/Richmond chargers are currently 40c per kw with no per minute charge, so I wonder if they will increase to 80c or are part of the few that the owner decides the rate ion)

I am ok with the price increases, especially if it means the extra money goes into more charging infrastructure.
I would love to see 25/50kw chargers replaced with the 75kw dual chargers everywhere

Having reviewed our ChargeNet invoices over the past couple of months I see similar. Our common top up locations of Pirongia and Mokau are both 50kW rated chargers with 25c/kWh + 25c/m charge but our recent top ups at these chargers have worked out at close to 60c/kWh received. Understandable if the charge was a top up from above 50% SoC when a slower rate of charge can be expected but in one case a 13%-46% charge at Mokau cost 60.4c/kWh so the slow rate was due to the charger rather than the car (Polestar2 so good for 115kW charge rate).

Also New Plymouth's sole ChargeNet facility at the CBD New World, which recently made the news, had been out of service for around a week prior to its news mention. This was due to it tripping the fuses on its feed so has now been derated to 40kW (from 50kW) and fee is 40c/kW with no time factor until the fuse issue can be rectified. Perhaps the slower rate of charge available at Mokau is due to the quality of feed available to this relatively remote location?

The biggest difference the coming rate increase will make for us is for the occasional time we stop in at ChargeNet's Te Kuiti Warehouse 25kW charger which is currently free. No way of knowing if this is one of the exceptions to the 80c/kWh charge structure until next month I guess.

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#2991755 4-Nov-2022 10:26

mudguard:

Scott3:

I would not recommend EV ownership at the moment for somebody who can't charge at home. Convenient and cheap home charging is essential to making EV's stack up in my book.

Are their likely to be many EV buyers who can't charge at home? I would think it would be quite a brave strategy for someone to rely on fast charging. Other than the fact you're not burning petrol I imagine there's quite a time cost to rely on charging at public stations.

This is my biggest dilemma with electric and my work vehicle. The range is getting there, but I'd have dedicate time each day to finding a fast charger. Or drape an extension cord out of four motel windows per week. Some fast chargers are popping up at hotels, but I'd say there is probably one per normal park.

That said, if I had a normal job and could afford a new car I'd be all over electric in a heart beat.

Got talking with a friend who is involved in an accommodation project in the South Island recently. They are increasingly receiving requests from guests for EV charging facilities, who then complain about a $20 flat charge to plug into the accommodation's power to charge overnight.

The most likely situation would seem to be including charge facilities for EVs on a paying basis in a similar way that inhouse wifi access is available now. Some cost involved in the extra infrastructure involved but for a new development not hard to factor in and increasingly a 'must have' for accommodation premises.

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#2991761 4-Nov-2022 10:48

mudguard:

Scott3:

I would not recommend EV ownership at the moment for somebody who can't charge at home. Convenient and cheap home charging is essential to making EV's stack up in my book.

Are their likely to be many EV buyers who can't charge at home? I would think it would be quite a brave strategy for someone to rely on fast charging. Other than the fact you're not burning petrol I imagine there's quite a time cost to rely on charging at public stations.

This is my biggest dilemma with electric and my work vehicle. The range is getting there, but I'd have dedicate time each day to finding a fast charger. Or drape an extension cord out of four motel windows per week. Some fast chargers are popping up at hotels, but I'd say there is probably one per normal park.

That said, if I had a normal job and could afford a new car I'd be all over electric in a heart beat.

I imagine there'd be a few without off-street parking, and a few in apartments.

There are places that you can charge for free whilst shopping - If I were one of these people, I'd be changing my shopping habits to fit them in.

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#2991776 4-Nov-2022 11:30

On the charge.net price increase, for people charging at reasonable speeds, the 60c/kWh hyper chargers work out to about the same as the 25c+25c 50kW chargers. So the jump from to 80c or 85c is a 33% - 42% increase, which is substantial. (but as per my prior comment is their first price hike I can recall in the history of the company).

For the vast majority of EV owners, it is immaterial. Fast charging makes up a small percentage of their total charging, and factors like conveyance, location & reliability trump cost.

Might swing some demand at the margins. I.e. for a tesla owner wanting to charge in Taupo, previously the charge-net hyper-charger was cheaper, now the tesla super charger is. Given they are just a few hundred meters apart, and both pritty fast, we might see less tesla's at the hyper charger.

mudguard:

Scott3:

I would not recommend EV ownership at the moment for somebody who can't charge at home. Convenient and cheap home charging is essential to making EV's stack up in my book.

Are their likely to be many EV buyers who can't charge at home? I would think it would be quite a brave strategy for someone to rely on fast charging. Other than the fact you're not burning petrol I imagine there's quite a time cost to rely on charging at public stations.

This is my biggest dilemma with electric and my work vehicle. The range is getting there, but I'd have dedicate time each day to finding a fast charger. Or drape an extension cord out of four motel windows per week. Some fast chargers are popping up at hotels, but I'd say there is probably one per normal park.

That said, if I had a normal job and could afford a new car I'd be all over electric in a heart beat.

I should have said at home or work. No issue not having home charging, if you can plug your car in 5 days a week at work.

Yes there are some people with neither home or work charging, but numbers are low.

In Auckland there are a bunch of people who charge exclusively at the free vector chargers.

And yes I agree it is brave. You are committing an epic amount of time to charge the car publicly. And if using paid chargers won't be saving enough money to cover the extra capital cost of the car over a toyota hybrid.

And you are quite exposed to outside changes. As an example, my closest fast charger has only just gone back into service after having been removed for roughly a month (transition from charge.net to Z energy billing, change from 50kW to 75kW unit, and move of location within site)

And of course changes in fast charger pricing will have a big impact. Going to be a bit of a shock for a few EV owners when vector decides it is no longer fair on it's other customers / shareholders, to be giving away fast charging.

That said, for the person who really really wants to go electric, and is willing to pay, the combination of a longer range, and fairly efficient EV (64kWh kona, tesla model 3?), and doing their weekly supermarket shop at somewhere with a fast charger could make not having home charging more workable. If the person did say 300km per week, and plugged into a fast charger while the shopped at the supermarket, they wouldn't face much of a time penalty.

On doing a lot of travel to varied places, something like a camry hybrid (100km range, at rated 5L/100km), or a euro diesel is hard to beat.

Plugging in at accommodation isn't that hard, but often it will be only a domestic socket, which will only add about 10km/hour of range. Seeking out accommodation with 32A chargers is going to take extra time, and as always when you are less flexible, you end up paying more.

And inevitably when traveling for work, one ends up doing big day's, so adding even more time to go to fast chargers is problematic.

That said, there are people who do massive mileage doing work related travel in EV's. One person with a Kona who travels most of the north island doing custom auto electrical work springs to mind.

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#2991778 4-Nov-2022 11:32

trig42:

I imagine there'd be a few without off-street parking, and a few in apartments.

There are places that you can charge for free whilst shopping - If I were one of these people, I'd be changing my shopping habits to fit them in.

Most of the free while-shopping chargers are 7.2kW. (about 35km/h)

Helpful, but but you would have to spend a heap of time shopping per week to cover typically weekly running. Paid fast charging while shopping might be a better bet.

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#2991782 4-Nov-2022 11:45

nzkiwiman:

... (I know the Nelson/Richmond chargers are currently 40c per kw with no per minute charge, so I wonder if they will increase to 80c or are part of the few that the owner decides the rate ion)...

Those chargers are owned by somebody else, and charge.net just does the billing, so their pries won't be directly impacted by this change.

That said, charge.net are the biggest player for fast charging in NZ, and will have an influence on what both users and other charger owners see as a reasonable price. 40c/kWh seems like it is due for an increase in light of the below:

charge.net: 80c or 85c / kWh
Z energy: 69c /kWh
Tesla supercharger: 69c - 77c / kWh (varies by location)

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#2991783 4-Nov-2022 11:49

Scott3:

Most of the free while-shopping chargers are 7.2kW. (about 35km/h)

Helpful, but but you would have to spend a heap of time shopping per week to cover typically weekly running. Paid fast charging while shopping might be a better bet.

I don't know, it's not uncommon for me to get home with more charge than I left with when I shop at the local Countdown.

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#2991912 4-Nov-2022 14:21

I've notices some Atto 3 EVs driving around Hamilton, I've seen 3 at least so far. I've also heard an ad on the radio for them - around $55,500 for a new car with 420km claimed range and eligible for the clean car discount, seems not too bad for a new car. I might have considered buying one when I had the 36km each way commute. The rebate knocks around 8.5K off the price and the savings each year would make it a better deal than many petrol cars. I'm glad to see more brands available for people to choose from.

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#2991916 4-Nov-2022 14:32

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I've notices some Atto 3 EVs driving around Hamilton, I've seen 3 at least so far. I've also heard an ad on the radio for them - around $55,500 for a new car with 420km claimed range and eligible for the clean car discount, seems not too bad for a new car. I might have considered buying one when I had the 36km each way commute. The rebate knocks around 8.5K off the price and the savings each year would make it a better deal than many petrol cars. I'm glad to see more brands available for people to choose from.

Yeah, I've just started spotting them around PN this week; from the outside I reckon it's a pretty nice looking car. My wife was similarly impressed when we saw one today, and it certainly could be an option for replacing her Leaf at some stage. Our hope (indeed bottom line) is that by the time that comes around the interior has been substantially redesigned.

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#2991917 4-Nov-2022 14:37

MarkH67:

I've notices some Atto 3 EVs driving around Hamilton, I've seen 3 at least so far. I've also heard an ad on the radio for them - around $55,500 for a new car with 420km claimed range and eligible for the clean car discount, seems not too bad for a new car. I might have considered buying one when I had the 36km each way commute. The rebate knocks around 8.5K off the price and the savings each year would make it a better deal than many petrol cars. I'm glad to see more brands available for people to choose from.

Registration data saw over 200 Attos arrive in October

"The best-selling fully electric models were the BYD Atto 3 (206 units), marking another strong month for the newcomer, the MG ZS EV (169 units) and the Tesla Model Y (167 units)"

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/130363755/ranger-bites-back-in-october-registrations

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