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#1006690 16-Mar-2014 12:54

Sideface: Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse ...

'Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 plane found in Bermuda Triangle!' Facebook links are profiting hackers

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-plane-found-in-bermuda-triangle-facebook-links-are-profiting-hackers-9194660.html

"Viral Facebook posts claiming the missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 flight has been found are pieces of malware and links to fake surveys posted by hackers, who are now profiting from people’s growing interest in the story. The posts contain videos that look legitimate and claim the plane has been found in various places, from the Bermuda Triangle to having been spotted at sea, with many stating its passengers are “alive” or “saved”.

I saw that being posted all over Facebook last week. It is very bad taste, and I think anyone distributing that need go take a hard look at themselves. The thing is that may people these days, esp the young have probably never heard of the BT , so think it cold be legit.

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#1006737 16-Mar-2014 15:14

joker97: What's rule number one

Don't talk about fight club.

Fred99: Crash it into the sea (or a mountain or whatever?) - why bother? They could have done that as soon as they had control.

Hijackers turning off ADS-B and secondary radar, and at least partially disabling ACARS, then flying the plane on a carefully plotted course to evade detection for as long as possible? Doesn't seem plausible to me - seems that some pilot skills (well in excess of what the 9/11 guys had) and some inside knowledge was needed.

So far (no ransom demand - or claim of responsibility for a terrorist act), the pilot has to be the main suspect - he's flipped his lid prior to that flight, carefully planned.

I think this is the heart of the puzzle - why keep flying for so long?

I've read in one report the plane had enough fuel for an 8 hour flight. Which gives a massive arc as to where it could've gone. The problem is no government is stepping forward and saying "*cough*, er, actually it appeared on our radar, *cough*" so having it land on land is looking extremely unlikely. I'm not sure the fuel load would've been sufficient for a flight to Pakistan or Somalia.

I'm leaning towards pilot suicide, with tinges of second thoughts and a bit of doubt thrown in for good measure. I'm struggling to think of a good reason to attempt taking a plane load of mainly Chinese people hostage, unless there were some high level diplomats and/or business people on board. However, unless searches of the pilots homes and electronic records turn up something, this may well be something we'll never know.

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#1006746 16-Mar-2014 15:39

I watched a bit on CNN today, quite interesting. They have two arcs, one going to Turkmenistan and a southern arc going to the south Indian Ocean. Here is how they came up with that.

The Inmerstat entertainment satellite picked up a ping at 8-10. There is no triangulation as there is only one satellite, so they drew a 360 circle as they only know the distance. They rule out the African sector as thats too far fuel wise. They rule out the west as thats all covered by radar. That leaves the two arcs. They dont favour the northern arc as there are too many countries with sound radar coverage. But it could land up there, many abandoned military runways. The southern arc only has a crash at sea scenario. They mentioned that the way and timeframe that stuff was turned off requires a 777 knowledgeable person. It also went to 45000 ft then 23000 ft, perhaps to avoid detection, and as it disappeared in the known 10 minute blind window between ATC areas, you could argue pilot suicide, create a non solved mystery, and perhaps no blame. That could be a cultural or insurance angle.

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#1006747 16-Mar-2014 15:41

Dratsab:
I've read in one report the plane had enough fuel for an 8 hour flight. Which gives a massive arc as to where it could've gone. The problem is no government is stepping forward and saying "*cough*, er, actually it appeared on our radar, *cough*" so having it land on land is looking extremely unlikely. I'm not sure the fuel load would've been sufficient for a flight to Pakistan or Somalia.

I'm leaning towards pilot suicide, with tinges of second thoughts and a bit of doubt thrown in for good measure. I'm struggling to think of a good reason to attempt taking a plane load of mainly Chinese people hostage, unless there were some high level diplomats and/or business people on board. However, unless searches of the pilots homes and electronic records turn up something, this may well be something we'll never know.

I heard that the Malaysians are now saying that it flew for 6 hours after the last voice contact. Also that some of the tracking was disables as it was still flying over land, well before the last voice coms, which was when it was over the ocean, quite some time later. 6 hours, I could have reached many different countries. I am sure there is quite a lot more to this than has been made public.

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#1006768 16-Mar-2014 16:50

tdgeek: I watched a bit on CNN today, quite interesting. They have two arcs, one going to Turkmenistan and a southern arc going to the south Indian Ocean. Here is how they came up with that.

The Inmerstat entertainment satellite picked up a ping at 8-10. There is no triangulation as there is only one satellite, so they drew a 360 circle as they only know the distance. They rule out the African sector as thats too far fuel wise. They rule out the west as thats all covered by radar. That leaves the two arcs. They dont favour the northern arc as there are too many countries with sound radar coverage. But it could land up there, many abandoned military runways. The southern arc only has a crash at sea scenario. They mentioned that the way and timeframe that stuff was turned off requires a 777 knowledgeable person. It also went to 45000 ft then 23000 ft, perhaps to avoid detection, and as it disappeared in the known 10 minute blind window between ATC areas, you could argue pilot suicide, create a non solved mystery, and perhaps no blame. That could be a cultural or insurance angle.

A normally very reliable Boeing 777 departs Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on the 8th. Reaches cruising altitude, at which time one of the pilots usually goes off for a leak, liedown or to chat up a stewardess. Someone speaks with ATC, and sounds normal. Then switches off both transponders, - using the switch right beside the pilots seat. ACARS is then deliberately disabled 14 minutes later, - now the aircraft’s 2 critical comms systems are disabled, and just while transiting to Vietnam ATC where it won't be missed for a while. Aircaft turns, heading West over Malaysia towards the Straits of Malacca. Climbs to over 40,000ft in an attempt to avoid military radar, then descends. Does actually get pinged by the radar, which shows it following standard nav waypoints over the Andaman Sea, out into the Indian Ocean - where no radar can now track it. Sat standby data is pinged until 8:11 a.m. - 7 and a half hours after takeoff, just before fuel's gone, in the remote Southern Indian Ocean, between Australia and Africa. One of the deepest and least travelled ocean areas in the world. Where the black box will likely never be found, and the cause of the loss never confirmed. Cultural or Insurance angle - Exactly. My bet is.. bye bye plane, passengers and all trust in Malasia Airlines..

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#1006772 16-Mar-2014 16:54

funny thing is ... despite ALL the red flags, no one at control tower did anything. how is that Malaysian airlines' fault?

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#1006778 16-Mar-2014 17:03

joker97: funny thing is ... despite ALL the red flags, no one at control tower did anything. how is that Malaysian airlines' fault?

Didn't they report it is missing? There is a rule that an aircraft can only have a 10 minute window where there is no ATC support, it was in that window, between ATC areas.

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#1006786 16-Mar-2014 17:17

Sorry I read a report that said the tracking was switched off one hour before the final words.

It's that incorrect

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#1006787 16-Mar-2014 17:18

New Wiki - detailed reference source, constantly updated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370

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#1006788 16-Mar-2014 17:19

sidestep: Climbs to over 40,000ft in an attempt to avoid military radar,

Military targets never go above 40,000 ft? I don't think so. The theory is if it was a deliberate climb to above 40,000 (actually 45,000 was speculated) it was to knock all the people in the cabin unconscious as the cabin O2 masks don't work at that altitude. However it has also been stated the aircraft wasn't capable of climbing that high at the weight it was at that time.

tdgeek: There is a rule that an aircraft can only have a 10 minute window where there is no ATC support,

Can you provide a reference for that? It's news to me.

Also I'd be interested to know how the Malaysian government can be so sure as to say this " Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced in a press conference that satellite-related data showed that the aircraft's ACARS and transponder had been deliberately disabled" unless they have other information they haven't released

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#1006791 16-Mar-2014 17:21

joker97: Sorry I read a report that said the tracking was switched off one hour before the final words.

It's that incorrect

Your right, I am watching CNN, and when the pilot/copilot stated "Good Night" ACARS had already been turned off. Cannot recall how long before

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#1006795 16-Mar-2014 17:30

And the fact that a ufo flew right across Malaya and no response from the military

How is that Malaysian airlines fault lol

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#1006799 16-Mar-2014 17:41

Technofreak:
sidestep: Climbs to over 40,000ft in an attempt to avoid military radar,

Military targets never go above 40,000 ft? I don't think so. The theory is if it was a deliberate climb to above 40,000 (actually 45,000 was speculated) it was to knock all the people in the cabin unconscious as the cabin O2 masks don't work at that altitude. However it has also been stated the aircraft wasn't capable of climbing that high at the weight it was at that time.

tdgeek: There is a rule that an aircraft can only have a 10 minute window where there is no ATC support,

Can you provide a reference for that? It's news to me.

Also I'd be interested to know how the Malaysian government can be so sure as to say this " Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced in a press conference that satellite-related data showed that the aircraft's ACARS and transponder had been deliberately disabled" unless they have other information they haven't released

The 10 minute allowable window between ATC coverage from KL to the, I think Vietnamese was mentioned on CNN channel a few nights ago.

I think why they decided it was deliberately disabled was that the pilots last verbal was "all right, goodnight" (something like that) but that ACARS was switched off before that, transponder was switched off after I recall.

Cannot find anything on Google, it keeps assuming aircraft seperation in my searches, but Mattwnz on 3rd comment on this page heard similar on another channel

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=141397&page_no=8

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#1006806 16-Mar-2014 18:13

The 10 minute window was discussed in a special Sky UK program on this, where they were discussing it with pilots who have flown the 777. You do heave to wonder why there was no questioning from the airline to the pilot why they had switched the acap or whatever it was, as that occurred an hour before the last communications. TV1 report that they are now looking into the older pilot, as they think it may have been politically motivated. Not sure if that is clutching a straws a little. But it does sound like the hijacking had commenced about an hour before the last communication with the pilot.

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#1006808 16-Mar-2014 18:16

If it's 10 min that's nothing. My thoughts now move to the military radar allowing

1) ufo through the country
2) not telling everyone who searched the south China sea

And Vietnam air controllers telling malaysia air controllers that the plane turned around and that was not actioned on or told to anyone

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