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#3024037 19-Jan-2023 15:48

Dingbatt:

I was outside working in the garden. Did she make the announcement live, or via video link from Davos? 😉

The announcement was made by her at the party caucus retreat in Napier

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#3024038 19-Jan-2023 15:49

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Five years ago we didn't have Covid and war in Ukraine and the economic repercussions of all that. But of course, blame it on Jacinda Ardern.

We didn't have it three years ago either. We did get a town hall reset and then a 'year of delivery' which implies that delivery may well have been an issue before Covid popped up.

Were it not for Covid and National imploding, she would have been defending a do-nothing government with a track record of walking away from or failing to deliver on almost the entirety of their 2017 platform. So pleading poverty because of Covid seems like having it both ways given it's the only reason they made it past being a one-term government.

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#3024040 19-Jan-2023 15:52

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Rikkitic:

Five years ago we didn't have Covid and war in Ukraine and the economic repercussions of all that. But of course, blame it on Jacinda Ardern.

We didn't have it three years ago either. We did get a town hall reset and then a 'year of delivery' which implies that delivery may well have been an issue before Covid popped up.

Were it not for Covid and National imploding, she would have been defending a do-nothing government with a track record of walking away from or failing to deliver on almost the entirety of their 2017 platform. So pleading poverty because of Covid seems like having it both ways given it's the only reason they made it past being a one-term government.

One thing I am really keen to see play out is if National can get things done, if they win the election. Have we as a country become so badly mismanaged and reliant on others that we just no longer have the ability to successfully see major projects through, regardless of who is in the beehive?

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#3024044 19-Jan-2023 16:00

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One thing I am really keen to see play out is if National can get things done, if they win the election. Have we as a country become so badly mismanaged and reliant on others that we just no longer have the ability to successfully see major projects through, regardless of who is in the beehive?

I also very much wonder about this. No-one has mentioned the Christchurch rebuild, but that didn't exactly leave National covered in glory, especially when compared to the Japanese example. Whoever is ultimately responsible, I have serious doubts about our ability to bring off any large project without numerous restarts and major cost overruns. It seems to just be part of our culture.

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#3024046 19-Jan-2023 16:05

I'm quite disheartened to see the number of people who at the mention of her resignation already dancing up on down on the grave of her political career.

Yes, I admit that the government hasn't done a lot of things right - their handling of coronavirus was definitely an area they did extremely well in (compared to a lot of other places) but really, is there any need for the schadenfreude? All these "we hate Jacinda" posts...I bet half these people couldn't even do 1% of her job and put up with all the crap she had to.

It's easy to criticise when you're not actually doing the job yourself, but there's nothing to stop you having a go and running for something is there?

Anyway, I don't know who's going to replace her. I saw Chris Hipkins mentioned a few pages ago, he could be a possibility. Will be interesting to see who comes along next.

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#3024047 19-Jan-2023 16:06

Rikkitic:

marmel:

One thing I am really keen to see play out is if National can get things done, if they win the election. Have we as a country become so badly mismanaged and reliant on others that we just no longer have the ability to successfully see major projects through, regardless of who is in the beehive?

I also very much wonder about this. No-one has mentioned the Christchurch rebuild, but that didn't exactly leave National covered in glory, especially when compared to the Japanese example. Whoever is ultimately responsible, I have serious doubts about our ability to bring off any large project without numerous restarts and major cost overruns. It seems to just be part of our culture.

Yeah ChCh aftermath was a mess and still is in some ways, surprising just how unprepared we were given the geographic location of NZ and the relative risks because of that.

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#3024049 19-Jan-2023 16:08

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I'm quite disheartened to see the number of people who at the mention of her resignation already dancing up on down on the grave of her political career.

Yes, I admit that the government hasn't done a lot of things right - their handling of coronavirus was definitely an area they did extremely well in (compared to a lot of other places) but really, is there any need for the schadenfreude? All these "we hate Jacinda" posts...I bet half these people couldn't even do 1% of her job and put up with all the crap she had to.

It's easy to criticise when you're not actually doing the job yourself, but there's nothing to stop you having a go and running for something is there?

Anyway, I don't know who's going to replace her. I saw Chris Hipkins mentioned a few pages ago, he could be a possibility. Will be interesting to see who comes along next.

I haven't seen anyone on here dancing on any graves. She has been rightly criticized for Labour's failures as she was the leader, that doesn't change all of a sudden because she has decided to step down.

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#3024050 19-Jan-2023 16:12

quickymart:

I'm quite disheartened to see the number of people who at the mention of her resignation already dancing up on down on the grave of her political career.

To be fair, she's the face of the government - a government that's been short on ideas, long on failure and has seen the regression of the political, economic and racial climate in NZ.

This country has never been more divided and whether she is personally responsible or not, many lay the blame at her feet, as she was the smiling face of the gang in charge.

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#3024051 19-Jan-2023 16:12

marmel:

I haven't seen anyone on here dancing on any graves. She has been rightly criticized for Labour's failures as she was the leader, that doesn't change all of a sudden because she has decided to step down.

Not on here - you haven't been looking at Facebook today then. Lots of nasty people on there who are thanking God and very very happy she's going.

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#3024053 19-Jan-2023 16:15

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I assume when making your unending criticism of National (along with all the tired old cliches you roll out frequently), you make allowance for the fact they had a Global Financial Crisis, and 2 of the biggest natural disasters ever experienced in NZ, among other challenges? Yeah, I didn't think so :)

And your point is ... what? That I am being unfair? Oh, the shame of it all! How could I? What beastliness arises in this breast of mine? Ah, the mortification! I am the scourge of the earth! Strike me down with a bolt of retribution at this very instant!

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#3024054 19-Jan-2023 16:15

Handsomedan:

This country has never been more divided and whether she is personally responsible or not, many lay the blame at her feet, as she was the smiling face of the gang in charge.

This is the bit thats been worrying me over the last 3-4 years. I fear we are moving towards the us-vs-them mentality of the US and other countries.

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#3024055 19-Jan-2023 16:16

quickymart:

I'm quite disheartened to see the number of people who at the mention of her resignation already dancing up on down on the grave of her political career.

Yes, I admit that the government hasn't done a lot of things right - their handling of coronavirus was definitely an area they did extremely well in (compared to a lot of other places) but really, is there any need for the schadenfreude? All these "we hate Jacinda" posts...I bet half these people couldn't even do 1% of her job and put up with all the crap she had to.

It's easy to criticise when you're not actually doing the job yourself, but there's nothing to stop you having a go and running for something is there?

Anyway, I don't know who's going to replace her. I saw Chris Hipkins mentioned a few pages ago, he could be a possibility. Will be interesting to see who comes along next.

She asked for and accepted the job. It wasn't compulsory. Not one person has said the word hate, nor has a single person made much personal commentary of any negative consequence.

Every bit of criticism is about her leadership of successive overpromise and under-deliver Governments.

She has received fewer personal family attacks than the Key and English family both during his term and subsequent period.

I think a few people here are just overprotective and over-sensitive when it comes to JA.

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#3024056 19-Jan-2023 16:17

quickymart:

marmel:

I haven't seen anyone on here dancing on any graves. She has been rightly criticized for Labour's failures as she was the leader, that doesn't change all of a sudden because she has decided to step down.

Not on here - you haven't been looking at Facebook today then. Lots of nasty people on there who are thanking God and very very happy she's going.

Yeah I can quite understand that on Facebook, I would like to think on here we are a bit more civilised. Just a bit... It's the same for other politicians as well though, John Key was often targeted because of his Jewish heritage. I guess if you are in a much worse position because of the decisions Labour has made over the last 5 years you might be angry and glad to see the back of her.

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#3024058 19-Jan-2023 16:18

marmel:

I haven't seen anyone on here dancing on any graves.

Fish around in FB for a while, you'll quickly see what they mean.

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#3024060 19-Jan-2023 16:21

networkn:

She has received fewer personal family attacks than the Key and English family both during his term and subsequent period.

Not sure about the family attacks, but the blatant sexist referrals to the PM as Cindy is surely running at about 100 to 1 on the times Key and English were demeaningly referred to by their first names.

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