Brexit - Part 3? British elections 2017

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#215033 9-Jun-2017 10:39

Part 1 was the actual vote.

Part 2 was the trigger of "Article 50"

Part 3 - Is this a revolt too late and a loss of a majority for the sitting Government? Exit Polls certainly suggest this could be the case.

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#1797144 9-Jun-2017 10:54

Might be a revolt against austerity, cuts, closures, cuts, closures, mores closures. Doubt if its a revolt (if its actually true) against Brexit as LibDems seem to be the only ones left actively against it. If Jeremy gets in (unlikely but I can hope) divorce would be a lot more amicable I should imagine. Already talking about May being finished - are they going to get another 'unelected' PM ?

Early days (or nights I suppose).

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#1797145 9-Jun-2017 10:55

Not sure why a 'revolt' is needed.

The biggest confusion to me is why the election was called in the first place. It wasn't necessary and could in fact be the biggest mistake in the entire process of Brexit.

The worst result would be that madman Comrade Corbyn and his terrorist loving Marxist buddies getting their hands on the levers of State.

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#1797146 9-Jun-2017 10:56

She's an absolute piece of corporate branded fecal matter. I hate her so very much.

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#1797165 9-Jun-2017 11:02

People seem to think Brexit was more of a vote against London and its success / favourite status / who cares whats north of Watford gap than Brussels.

And May / whoever would be 10x worse than Corbyn. That cretin with the blonde hair is the fav to succeed May.

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#1797175 9-Jun-2017 11:09

rb99:

People seem to think Brexit was more of a vote against London and its success / favourite status / who cares whats north of Watford gap than Brussels.

And May / whoever would be 10x worse than Corbyn. That cretin with the blonde hair is the fav to succeed May.

I presume your ad hominem insult is intended as a reference to the very intelligent and erudite Boris Johnson?

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#1797177 9-Jun-2017 11:10

Geektastic:

rb99:

People seem to think Brexit was more of a vote against London and its success / favourite status / who cares whats north of Watford gap than Brussels.

And May / whoever would be 10x worse than Corbyn. That cretin with the blonde hair is the fav to succeed May.

I presume your ad hominem insult is intended as a reference to the very intelligent and erudite Boris Johnson?

Yep

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#1797256 9-Jun-2017 12:41

TM has been a real disappointment. She even manages to make the ex PM Cameron look statesman like.

And whoever advised on/directed the Tory campaign strategy should be sacked immediately. How can anyone in their right mind think it was a good idea to put proposals in the manifesto that disadvantaged a large part of the core vote.

If Corbyn gets in and implements even a small part of his manifesto though, generations to come will be paying for it.

Re-nationalizing the railways for gods sake. I suppose many voters are too young to remember what a mess they were when they were nationalized and how the traveling public were held to ransom by the railway unions who were forever on strike or go slow.

And here's a nightmare scenario - Labour and the SNP in a coalition government.

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#1797283 9-Jun-2017 13:26

SJB:

TM has been a real disappointment. She even manages to make the ex PM Cameron look statesman like.

And whoever advised on/directed the Tory campaign strategy should be sacked immediately. How can anyone in their right mind think it was a good idea to put proposals in the manifesto that disadvantaged a large part of the core vote.

If Corbyn gets in and implements even a small part of his manifesto though, generations to come will be paying for it.

Re-nationalizing the railways for gods sake. I suppose many voters are too young to remember what a mess they were when they were nationalized and how the traveling public were held to ransom by the railway unions who were forever on strike or go slow.

And here's a nightmare scenario - Labour and the SNP in a coalition government.

Corbyn is little more than a sock puppet with the union's hand up his posterior controlling him to be honest.

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#1797296 9-Jun-2017 13:39

My son and his partner picked a right old time to move to England

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#1797461 9-Jun-2017 19:47

tehgerbil:

She's an absolute piece of corporate branded fecal matter. I hate her so very much.

What do you mean by "corporate branded"?

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#1797466 9-Jun-2017 19:56

rb99:

And May / whoever would be 10x worse than Corbyn. That cretin with the blonde hair is the fav to succeed May.

I'm not sure why you think that that Corbyn better than May or whoever likely replaces her as Conservative leader. Certainly, if he can implement them, most of his economic plans would not be to the long-term interest of the UK, although they might make his base feel better off in the short term. A lot of what he proposes (fairly major nationalisation, government intervening in how businesses are run, price controls, large spend ups that he can't fund etc) isn't that different to what has been done in Venezuela over the last 10 or so years (only he also lacks the massive oil revenues that they had), and that hasn't exactly turned out well. It didn't work well for the UK in the 70s either.

May ran a terrible campaign, with a badly misjudged manifesto, and she deserves lose the leadership forthwith. But that doesn't mean that Corbyn will be better as a PM.

NB: Boris is far from being a cretin. He is actually pretty erudite and well educated, although he does have a bit of a penchant for "hamming it up" for public consumption, and some of his jokes miss the mark with many people. Saying why you feel he would be a bad leader is likely to work better as an argument than simple name calling.

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#1797476 9-Jun-2017 20:35

I don't understand anything about British politics, someone explain. Why is May worse than Cameron? Why is Cameron bad? Why is Corban better?

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#1797479 9-Jun-2017 20:42

DaveB:

Part 1 was the actual vote.

Part 2 was the trigger of "Article 50"

Part 3 - Is this a revolt too late and a loss of a majority for the sitting Government? Exit Polls certainly suggest this could be the case.

And you can't stop article 50... Or can you?

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#1797481 9-Jun-2017 20:59

Like it or not, Boris gives an excellent impression of a buffoon, that's what comes over in the press anyway, you know what people say about smoke and fire, and the UK doesn't really need a buffoon in charge. I'm not aware that his attempt to run London was a major success, with questions revolving around the Garden Bridge, the new Routemaster, rubber stamping every development that came his way. I'm sure my knowledge of such matters is very superficial but that's the way it is (to me).

I'm also not seeing much of a success being made of privatisation in the UK, which could be why they want to re-nationalise stuff. Opinion polls I've seen all favour the return of British Rail and I think returning the water companies to public ownership. Has austerity worked ? depends, again, who you ask, what papers you read. I believe I read the other day growth in Britain is near the bottom for expected growth for OECD countries, maybe austerity has something to do with that.

As I'm sure you're aware, everybody wants spectacular services while paying almost low taxes. The Conservatives are obviously in the low tax (for the rich) and slash and burn bracket, now voters there have tried to move away from that. I don't really see much of a link to Venezuela there just yet.

Again just my impressions of some stuff happening on the other side of the world.

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#1797482 9-Jun-2017 20:59

Ok folks. Stop with name calling or some banhammers will fly around.

I mean, not even the Trump thread escalated that quickly.

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