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#2820093 27-Nov-2021 06:28

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Will concur with the scaling comment. You can adjust picture settings to an extent on most panels anyway so the quality of upscaling can vary. Only way to know if it’s acceptable is to try it on on a demo model.

Not sure if this is what you mean but I wasn't aware that adjusting picture settings on a TV can affect the quality of the upscaling. I thought picture settings adjust all the usual stuff like colour, brightness, contrast etc - and that upscaling is a separate baked-in process that the TV does automatically in the background, converting lower resolution to higher. Is upscaling adjustable in some way?

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#2820112 27-Nov-2021 08:45

Has anyone managed to get the cashback for the JZ1000 and purchase from the market? I tried to get NL and HN to price match the market but neither would because it was a voucher (HN offer $100 off so $400 with cash back off sticker)

https://themarket.com/nz/cart?sc=206833&itemmid=4&name=panasonic-65-inch-jz1000-4k-oled-2021-television&showModal=true

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#2820148 27-Nov-2021 09:50

Why does the football demo that plays on the Panasonic jz1000 go blurry intermittently when I watch it in store? Is that suppose to be happening?

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#2820159 27-Nov-2021 10:10

Can anyone tell me how the C1 handles Formula One or Supercars? Lots of panning, fast moving camera angles, just curious to see how it looks.

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#2820201 27-Nov-2021 11:55

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SpartanVXL:

Will concur with the scaling comment. You can adjust picture settings to an extent on most panels anyway so the quality of upscaling can vary. Only way to know if it’s acceptable is to try it on on a demo model.

Not sure if this is what you mean but I wasn't aware that adjusting picture settings on a TV can affect the quality of the upscaling. I thought picture settings adjust all the usual stuff like colour, brightness, contrast etc - and that upscaling is a separate baked-in process that the TV does automatically in the background, converting lower resolution to higher. Is upscaling adjustable in some way?

Sorry, to be more clear things like Clarity section in LG affect the final output on screen. Different picture modes also change how it gets shown, PC mode for example turns most of it off for lowest latency. You’re right though that you can’t really fiddle with the AI scaler, but things like Sharpness, Noise reduction etc. are settings you can opt for to change the final picture quality.

You can also let the source do it instead, but thats a different topic altogether.

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#2820203 27-Nov-2021 12:03

GV27:
Can anyone tell me how the C1 handles Formula One or Supercars? Lots of panning, fast moving camera angles, just curious to see how it looks.

This will depend on your source content. Is most F1/racing in 50/60fps? If so it should be reasonably smooth without messing with settings. Theres a Sports picture mode too, and settings for motion interpolation, de-judder and de-blur. Black frame insertion is also an option to get rid of blur though I’m not sure if it’s a great idea on content less than 60Hz (there will be judder if framerate isn’t divisible by refresh rate).

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#2820716 28-Nov-2021 18:32

Continuing on with my research into OLED TV's. I see that its common to have stutter when watching low frame rate TV Shows/Movies on OLED TV's. I'm curious if this is something you have noticed & if it is do you put up with it/get used to it or whether you adjust the motion interpolation settings to try & remove this?

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#2820849 29-Nov-2021 08:06

WWHeisenberg:

Continuing on with my research into OLED TV's. I see that its common to have stutter when watching low frame rate TV Shows/Movies on OLED TV's. I'm curious if this is something you have noticed & if it is do you put up with it/get used to it or whether you adjust the motion interpolation settings to try & remove this?

I presume your meaning low frame rate as in 24p? I set my apple tv to match frame rate to the source material (nearly all movies and streaming shows @ 24p) and I never notice any stuttering or issues

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#2821028 29-Nov-2021 13:04

WWHeisenberg:
Continuing on with my research into OLED TV's. I see that its common to have stutter when watching low frame rate TV Shows/Movies on OLED TV's. I'm curious if this is something you have noticed & if it is do you put up with it/get used to it or whether you adjust the motion interpolation settings to try & remove this?

As JPNZ says, the Tv accepts 24Hz refresh rate source so framepacing is correct so no stutter.

However the judder effect from low framerate content is more prominent due to OLED’s very low pixel response times. It’s an inherent flaw that was covered up by traditional LCD-LED panels, their high response times would blur content, and also produce artefacts like ghosting/trails.

It not so much an ‘issue’ so much as it’s a side-effect that got improved upon by new tech, except that it was a desirable effect for some people.

Most TV’s have a de-judder/blur setting as well as motion interpolation. You can either enable de-judder at 24Hz or interpolate 5 times up to 120Hz.

The stuttering comes from source devices that output 60Hz only instead of a refresh rate divisible by the source (60/24 = 2.5 which doesn’t work out evenly).

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#2821033 29-Nov-2021 13:28

SpartanVXL:
WWHeisenberg:

Continuing on with my research into OLED TV's. I see that its common to have stutter when watching low frame rate TV Shows/Movies on OLED TV's. I'm curious if this is something you have noticed & if it is do you put up with it/get used to it or whether you adjust the motion interpolation settings to try & remove this?

As JPNZ says, the Tv accepts 24Hz refresh rate source so framepacing is correct so no stutter.

However the judder effect from low framerate content is more prominent due to OLED’s very low pixel response times. It’s an inherent flaw that was covered up by traditional LCD-LED panels, their high response times would blur content, and also produce artefacts like ghosting/trails.

It not so much an ‘issue’ so much as it’s a side-effect that got improved upon by new tech, except that it was a desirable effect for some people.

Most TV’s have a de-judder/blur setting as well as motion interpolation. You can either enable de-judder at 24Hz or interpolate 5 times up to 120Hz.

The stuttering comes from source devices that output 60Hz only instead of a refresh rate divisible by the source (60/24 = 2.5 which doesn’t work out evenly).

I'm guessing then that both stutter and judder issues are suitably resolved using the above options.

My personal choice would be to avoid any "Soap Opera effect" which I understand can happen when you try to smooth out motion too much.

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#2821090 29-Nov-2021 15:17

WWHeisenberg:
I'm guessing then that both stutter and judder issues are suitably resolved using the above options.

My personal choice would be to avoid any "Soap Opera effect" which I understand can happen when you try to smooth out motion too much.

It would be best to experience this in person. Noticing judder varies between people, just like the use of motion interpolation can be a con instead of a pro.

LG tv’s have de-judder under the Trumotion settings and can be applied to any picture mode. Film/Cinema mode also seems to have settings that benefit 24fps content as well. Other brands will likely have similar so best to look up the feature and then give it a demo in store.

The judder and soap opera effects are two sides of the same card. Low framerate has judder because it is the minimum frame number for perceived motion. The better the tech gets at displaying it the more apparent the lack of frames. High framerate stops that, but because it has far more frames displayed it looks unnatural despite it being more ‘accurate’.

TV’s have multiple profiles you can save so options aren’t limited. You wouldn’t want blur in e.g. sports or F1 racing like the other person was asking for. For Cinema modes you can turn all that off and have it sync to 24Hz if you’d like.

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#2821494 30-Nov-2021 11:46

So my JZ1000 is installed. All went well except it did not come with wall bracket bolts so had to pop out to get the right ones. It sticks out the same amount as the plasma did.

Wow, it is bright. We have noticed so much more detail in content, even my young teenager was impressed at the new detail she observed in her 10th time watching Harry Potter. It will take a bit to adjust to it especially things like lights, sunlight and whites that stand out a lot compared to the plasma. Filmmaker picture mode seems to be the one we use the most at this stage, will take a while to settle into the options.

The picture below was just a video from YouTube and it certainly is amazing.

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#2821566 30-Nov-2021 12:20

SpartanVXL:

The stuttering comes from source devices that output 60Hz only instead of a refresh rate divisible by the source (60/24 = 2.5 which doesn’t work out evenly).

Even this doesn't present the issue that it used to, especially since now a few streaming app makers CBF implementing frame rate matching and will simply output a fixed 60p signal. Most TV makers have implemented functions to allow the TV to recognize and extract the 24p content from a 60p signal.

The only time this seems to be a problem is with 60hz panels, like the LG A1, since these now fall towards the budget end and it seems like TV makers CBF implementing it. Avoid like the plague.

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#2822261 1-Dec-2021 08:39

ToPGuNZ:

So my JZ1000 is installed. All went well except it did not come with wall bracket bolts so had to pop out to get the right ones. It sticks out the same amount as the plasma did.

Wow, it is bright. We have noticed so much more detail in content, even my young teenager was impressed at the new detail she observed in her 10th time watching Harry Potter. It will take a bit to adjust to it especially things like lights, sunlight and whites that stand out a lot compared to the plasma. Filmmaker picture mode seems to be the one we use the most at this stage, will take a while to settle into the options.

The picture below was just a video from YouTube and it certainly is amazing.

Yeah the thing I believe that "increases" brightness is the contrast, if you watching a dark scene and their is a flash of bright light eg sunlight or lightning the change from dark to light is incredible and strong.

The detail and picture improvements are just the cherry on top. Enjoy watching all the 4K content now 😃

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#2838298 25-Dec-2021 16:31

Thought I’d post an impression of the LG C1 now that I’ve had it for a while. Hopefully it’ll be useful for anyone still considering getting in to OLED this year, the 48” is still at $2095 at jb hifi over the boxing day sales.

Primary purpose is for gaming and it’s been placed in a dimmer room with about 1m distance for PC us and 2m distance for couch viewing distance. Out of the box everything was working great, got to test a few HDR videos from LG’s youtube channel and ended up binge watching Arcane off the Netflix app on the TV the night of unboxing.

Profile settings are a bit finnicky, as most TV’s it’s based off input including apps. Theres no global profile so every time you switch it changes to the last used profile for that input. Theres also another profile when HDR is enabled so manually changing everything was a chore till I had gone though everything I used.

Energy saving setting had to get disabled as it unfortunately affects HDR brightness. Normally though it would suffice to have it enabled to lower the chance of burn-in, but manually setting oled pixel brightness down was sufficient. I left it at 20 for sdr and default 100 for hdr.

I hooked it up via HDMI and had g-sync working off the bat. At first only had 4k 60Hz as I’m still running a 2070 super, but the TV worked well at 4k 120Hz 8-bit 4:2:0 though hdr didn’t engage at that setting. I later got a usb-c DP 1.4 to hdmi 2.1 adapter which does the full 4k 120Hz RGB 10-bit HDR but can’t pass through g-sync. Instead I did enable black frame insertion for lower persistence. It definitely produces judder when playing 24fps video via PC but it’s a quick toggle in the TV’s game menu.

I did do a few uniformity and colour tests the and found some of the complaints some av forums have pointed out. There was almost a grain or subtle textured pattern on some solid darker colours and grey uniformity. Almost like the pattern of a table cloth fabric but faint and only particularly visible on solid colour images.

There was also a grid pattern of lines evenly spaced about 20cm from each other both horizontal and vertical almost like the screen had been laid on a grid or something, but this has lessened significantly after using the TV over a few days on HDR content and gaming.

There is one dead pixel and a dead blue sub-pixel but these are far enough from the centre that it doesn’t affect in-motion content. From what I’ve seen theres a decent chance replacement panels would have similar or other issues as well.

Overall I’m very happy with this as a primary gaming screen and netflix player. The missus is happy it’s got Airplay as well for other apps, I haven’t bothered using an LG account to look for other webos apps as Youtube and Netflix are sufficing for now.

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