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#869669 1-Aug-2013 01:36

Spong: After I get my VDSL connected next Monday, what happens if I connect an old fashioned ADSL2+ modem to the line?

I setup and test a variety of ADSL2+ modems at times, and wondered if I can still do so? Will my line fall back to ADSL or is this a one way trip?

Secondly, once Telneted into the new Technicolor TG589nn v2 modem, how do I know which DLM profile I'm on as the week progresses?

In theory the ISAMS could allow ADSL2+ to sync with VDSL2 enabled, but its been disabled on the VDSL2 profiles by chorus design. So yes, one way trip.

nossi

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#869670 1-Aug-2013 02:38

We're close to the edge of Chorus map for VDSL, attenuation was 9.x on ADSL.

Ethernet speed tests and DLM profiles for the first 8 days on VDSL along with current line stats below. Looks like modem has been on DLM-1 for going on 3 days now (less latency slightly less speed than DLM-2 or DLM-4).

Pretty happy with the speed increase, any comments or suggestions?

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ADSL
http://speedtest.net/
09-JUL-2013 09:00 - 10.77Mbps down, 0.90Mbps up, 28ms round-trip
10-JUL-2013 02:40 - 8.94Mbps down, 0.79Mbps up, 30ms round-trip

VDSL
http://speedtest.telecom.co.nz/
24-JUL-2013 09:05 - 21.36Mbps down, 8.38Mbps up, 73ms round-trip
24-JUL-2013 19:20 - 21.30Mbps down, 8.40Mbps up, 73ms round-trip, DLM-6 (8ms 2INP)
24-JUL-2013 20:55 - 21.67Mbps down, 8.46Mbps up, 35ms round-trip, DLM-6
24-JUL-2013 21:50 - 21.41Mbps down, 8.43Mbps up, 79ms round-trip, DLM-6
24-JUL-2013 23:00 - 21.45Mbps down, 8.50Mbps up, 73ms round-trip, DLM-6
25-JUL-2013 09:20 - 22.84Mbps down, 8.93Mbps up, 74ms round-trip, DLM-4 (8ms 1INP)
25-JUL-2013 19:30 - 22.90Mbps down, 8.93Mbps up, 75ms round-trip, DLM-4
26-JUL-2013 02:10 - 22.66Mbps down, 9.34Mbps up, 44ms round-trip, DLM-4
26-JUL-2013 10:00 - 22.91Mbps down, 9.38Mbps up, 44ms round-trip, DLM-4
26-JUL-2013 23:00 - 23.07Mbps down, 9.31Mbps up, 44ms round-trip, DLM-4
27-JUL-2013 08:00 - 22.82Mbps down, 9.15Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2 (8ms 0.5INP), why 0.5INP?
27-JUL-2013 11:00 - 22.66Mbps down, 9.19Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2
27-JUL-2013 22:20 - 22.91Mbps down, 9.14Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2
28-JUL-2013 04:20 - 23.10Mbps down, 9.04Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2
28-JUL-2013 10:50 - 23.23Mbps down, 9.02Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2
28-JUL-2013 21:00 - 23.04Mbps down, 9.00Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2
29-JUL-2013 09:20 - 21.49Mbps down, 8.44Mbps up, 44ms round-trip, DLM-1 (0ms 0INP), why 0ms?
29-JUL-2013 19:20 - 21.52Mbps down, 8.46Mbps up, 45ms round-trip, DLM-1
30-JUL-2013 08:50 - 21.43Mbps down, 8.46Mbps up, 43ms round-trip, DLM-1

http://www.telecom.co.nz/internet/existingcustomers/overview/testyourspeed/
30-JUL-2013 09:00 - 21.35Mbps down, 8.83Mbps up, 17ms one-way, DLM-1
30-JUL-2013 20:10 - 21.26Mbps down, 8.87Mbps up, 16ms one-way, DLM-1
31-JUL-2013 20:10 - 21.49Mbps down, 8.85Mbps up, 16ms one-way, DLM-1
01-AUG-2013 01:40 - 21.26Mbps down, 8.88Mbps up, 16ms one-way, DLM-1

Line stats:
Uptime: 2 days, 21:38:10
DSL Type: ITU-T G.993.2
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 9,386 / 22,872
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [B/B]: 0 / 0
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 7.8 / 13.5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 43.7 / 21.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 11.9 / 12.1
System Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / ----
Chipset Vendor ID (Local/Remote): BDCM / IKNS
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 19 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 20 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): -
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 2,874 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 199 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 114 / 3,257
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 14,571

Channel Mode: Interleaved
INP (Up/Down) [DMT symbols]: 0.00 / 0.00
Delay (Up/Down) [ms]: 0.00 / 0.00

riahon

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#869674 1-Aug-2013 06:39

Hi
A recently purchased My Book Live and the ability to access remotely has now given rise to the need for faster upload speeds.

Here are my modem stats:

Am I going to get a considerable upload speed increase from 0.8 that I am getting now?

helterskelter07

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#869675 1-Aug-2013 06:45

helterskelter07: I have let it settle for a few days and it does seem to be improving but what is the output power ? Looks very high for Up is this right ?

Uptime: 0 days, 12:19:05

DSL Type: ITU-T G.993.2

Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 10,354 / 62,931

Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [B/B]: 0 / 0

Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 429496727.2 / 10.6

Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 6.1 / 2.3

SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 30.1 / 12.4

System Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / ----

Chipset Vendor ID (Local/Remote): BDCM / IKNS

Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 0 / 0

Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 0 / 0

Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0

Loss of Link (Remote): -

Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 3 / 0

FEC Errors (Up/Down): 17 / 3,852

CRC Errors (Up/Down): 1 / 34

Any ideas on why power is so high on the UP ?

Uptime: 0 days, 2:26:46

DSL Type: ITU-T G.993.2

Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 10,352 / 66,950

Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [B/B]: 0 / 0

Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 429496727.3 / 10.6

Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 6.1 / 2.3

SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 30.3 / 12.6

sbiddle

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#869688 1-Aug-2013 08:19

riahon: Hi
A recently purchased My Book Live and the ability to access remotely has now given rise to the need for faster upload speeds.

Here are my modem stats:

Am I going to get a considerable upload speed increase from 0.8 that I am getting now?

If you don't have a master filter installed modem stats aren't really any sort of indicator of availability of service.

A prequel done by your ISP is the only definite tool, you can also simply see yourself with fairly high accuracy whether you can get VDSL2 by simply looking at the coverage maps on the Chorus website. If you're in a 20Mbps+ area that means you're in the VDSL2 footprint.

Inphinity

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#869694 1-Aug-2013 08:29

helterskelter07:

Any ideas on why power is so high on the UP ?

Uptime: 0 days, 2:26:46

DSL Type: ITU-T G.993.2

Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 10,352 / 66,950

Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [B/B]: 0 / 0

Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 429496727.3 / 10.6

Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 6.1 / 2.3

SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 30.3 / 12.6

Mine was like that for a few days during the DLM training period, but it settled down afterward. No idea why.

helterskelter07

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Wannabe Geek

#869711 1-Aug-2013 08:51

Interesting ..

Seems like you do have to leave the router well alone for the first 10 days while its DLM tuning, I spent the first day or two improving (rewired) my home wiring and moving the router next to the incoming line so router was up and down while I plugged in unplugged tested etc, initial results really disappointing then left it and has really improved

Just wondering about the power, I had a look around on the forums found no answer but others had posted high power some on the up others on the down, wonder if its a bug on the router ?

What is the CLI command to find out what DLM you are on ? Is it 1 best going down to 9

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helterskelter07

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#869729 1-Aug-2013 09:21

test 15mins later, nothing else plugged into router just PC via ethernet. Is it normal to be so variable ???

Tried again this time using INTERNET EXPLORER as my browser not Chrome, results seem a lot more consistent is IE better for testing ..

Above strange power output settings from router

ianajmes

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#869741 1-Aug-2013 09:41

Just been moved on to DLM 1 today, download speed dropped a little along with upload speed, (i get the same results from Telecom speedtest, maybe a little higher upload), but really, overall very happy with speeds, over 3 times what i was getting on ADSl2 download and 7 times the upload, and serves my needs fine, occasional online gaming, Quickflix etc.

AppleJackXD

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#869749 1-Aug-2013 09:59

I just got my VDSL2 install date the Telecom lady rang up it's booked for Wednesday next week 7/08/2013 : ) im real excited :D

Kirdog

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#869761 1-Aug-2013 10:30

nossi: We're close to the edge of Chorus map for VDSL, attenuation was 9.x on ADSL.

Ethernet speed tests and DLM profiles for the first 8 days on VDSL along with current line stats below. Looks like modem has been on DLM-1 for going on 3 days now (less latency slightly less speed than DLM-2 or DLM-4).

Pretty happy with the speed increase, any comments or suggestions?

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ADSL
http://speedtest.net/
09-JUL-2013 09:00 - 10.77Mbps down, 0.90Mbps up, 28ms round-trip
10-JUL-2013 02:40 - 8.94Mbps down, 0.79Mbps up, 30ms round-trip

VDSL
http://speedtest.telecom.co.nz/
24-JUL-2013 09:05 - 21.36Mbps down, 8.38Mbps up, 73ms round-trip
24-JUL-2013 19:20 - 21.30Mbps down, 8.40Mbps up, 73ms round-trip, DLM-6 (8ms 2INP)
24-JUL-2013 20:55 - 21.67Mbps down, 8.46Mbps up, 35ms round-trip, DLM-6
24-JUL-2013 21:50 - 21.41Mbps down, 8.43Mbps up, 79ms round-trip, DLM-6
24-JUL-2013 23:00 - 21.45Mbps down, 8.50Mbps up, 73ms round-trip, DLM-6
25-JUL-2013 09:20 - 22.84Mbps down, 8.93Mbps up, 74ms round-trip, DLM-4 (8ms 1INP)
25-JUL-2013 19:30 - 22.90Mbps down, 8.93Mbps up, 75ms round-trip, DLM-4
26-JUL-2013 02:10 - 22.66Mbps down, 9.34Mbps up, 44ms round-trip, DLM-4
26-JUL-2013 10:00 - 22.91Mbps down, 9.38Mbps up, 44ms round-trip, DLM-4
26-JUL-2013 23:00 - 23.07Mbps down, 9.31Mbps up, 44ms round-trip, DLM-4
27-JUL-2013 08:00 - 22.82Mbps down, 9.15Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2 (8ms 0.5INP), why 0.5INP?
27-JUL-2013 11:00 - 22.66Mbps down, 9.19Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2
27-JUL-2013 22:20 - 22.91Mbps down, 9.14Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2
28-JUL-2013 04:20 - 23.10Mbps down, 9.04Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2
28-JUL-2013 10:50 - 23.23Mbps down, 9.02Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2
28-JUL-2013 21:00 - 23.04Mbps down, 9.00Mbps up, 76ms round-trip, DLM-2
29-JUL-2013 09:20 - 21.49Mbps down, 8.44Mbps up, 44ms round-trip, DLM-1 (0ms 0INP), why 0ms?
29-JUL-2013 19:20 - 21.52Mbps down, 8.46Mbps up, 45ms round-trip, DLM-1
30-JUL-2013 08:50 - 21.43Mbps down, 8.46Mbps up, 43ms round-trip, DLM-1

http://www.telecom.co.nz/internet/existingcustomers/overview/testyourspeed/
30-JUL-2013 09:00 - 21.35Mbps down, 8.83Mbps up, 17ms one-way, DLM-1
30-JUL-2013 20:10 - 21.26Mbps down, 8.87Mbps up, 16ms one-way, DLM-1
31-JUL-2013 20:10 - 21.49Mbps down, 8.85Mbps up, 16ms one-way, DLM-1
01-AUG-2013 01:40 - 21.26Mbps down, 8.88Mbps up, 16ms one-way, DLM-1

Line stats:
Uptime: 2 days, 21:38:10
DSL Type: ITU-T G.993.2
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]: 9,386 / 22,872
Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [B/B]: 0 / 0
Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]: 7.8 / 13.5
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]: 43.7 / 21.5
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]: 11.9 / 12.1
System Vendor ID (Local/Remote): TMMB / ----
Chipset Vendor ID (Local/Remote): BDCM / IKNS
Loss of Framing (Local/Remote): 19 / 0
Loss of Signal (Local/Remote): 20 / 0
Loss of Power (Local/Remote): 0 / 0
Loss of Link (Remote): -
Error Seconds (Local/Remote): 2,874 / 0
FEC Errors (Up/Down): 199 / 0
CRC Errors (Up/Down): 114 / 3,257
HEC Errors (Up/Down): 0 / 14,571

Channel Mode: Interleaved
INP (Up/Down) [DMT symbols]: 0.00 / 0.00
Delay (Up/Down) [ms]: 0.00 / 0.00

Thanks for your post.

Seems latency increased 2-3 times. Thats usless interleaving thing going through, and looks like it is not possible to switch off. I have tried figure it out with Telecom support-helpdesk before vdsl install, but they don't know anything about it.

On my current adsl2+ connection i don't have interleaving, and have 6-10 ms two way ping to the gateway or speedtest servers.

Sorry about my English guys :>

wasabi2k

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#869764 1-Aug-2013 10:39

A brief google suggests the whole interleaving on/off thing isn't quite equivalent to vdsl2 - where I think the DLM profiles manage the latency/line quality bit.

Kirdog

202 posts

Master Geek

#869767 1-Aug-2013 10:45

wasabi2k: A brief google suggests the whole interleaving on/off thing isn't quite equivalent to vdsl2 - where I think the DLM profiles manage the latency/line quality bit.

I think DLM is interleaving depth management. For example: higher depth - higher speed - higher latency.

Sorry about my English guys :>

Spong

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#869871 1-Aug-2013 12:24

Can someone please tell me how you'll know which DLM profile you're on at a given time. Pretty please.....

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Inphinity

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#869885 1-Aug-2013 12:40

Spong: Can someone please tell me how you'll know which DLM profile you're on at a given time. Pretty please.....

If you're using a Telecom-supplied TG589vn then you need to run 'xdsl info expand=enabled' from the telnet CLI. Default user is Administrator with a blank password.

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