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#1181345 22-Nov-2014 17:30

richms: unidirectional screws sorted it for a friend, till his whole bumper was nicked.

And the process to get replacement plates needs to be tightened up.

I recall seeing a material on TV that was a clear acrylic type (such as European car plates are made of) and if you pulled it too hard so it bent beyond a certain point (as you might when trying to steal a well fixed plate) it broke something layered in it and it just went black, rendering the plate useless because you could no longer see the numbers.

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#1181519 23-Nov-2014 10:46

Sideface: Then why should garage employees be charged for thefts by drive-away criminals?

If there's an prepay condition to get gas and the attendant turns on the pump without getting the money first then it's a YES they should pay for it
But if there isn't any such requirement then NO they should not have to pay for it

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#1181578 23-Nov-2014 13:41

mattwnz: I just don't understand why fuel companies don't setup some automated payment system, that scans peoples plate when parked, or a qr code on the windscreen, and then links it to an account, and it can either debit a bank account, or credit card. Those who aren't on the system, have to prepay. The otherway could be to have it gated. If they employed more staff, then it would also probably solve the problem. These days you have just one or two, but in the old days there was a whole team.

Because then they would lose hideous amounts of money as has been pointed out. Petrol is a loss leader - it does not make money. The only way they negate the loss from you buying petrol is if you agree to "would you like to get two cans of V for $5?" which they can't do if their gas station computers simply see and charge you without a human intervening to try the upsell.

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#1181580 23-Nov-2014 13:49

there's another way they lose money.

employees stealing. it's easy as i discovered.

i once bought $60 petrol and paid in cash. when i got to the next town i took the receipt to throw at the bin - it said $10 paid in cash. so where did the $50 go?

my friend's dad told me before he quit the business because he was haemorrhaging money at night. then i knew why.

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#1181583 23-Nov-2014 13:58

Kyanar:
mattwnz: I just don't understand why fuel companies don't setup some automated payment system, that scans peoples plate when parked, or a qr code on the windscreen, and then links it to an account, and it can either debit a bank account, or credit card. Those who aren't on the system, have to prepay. The otherway could be to have it gated. If they employed more staff, then it would also probably solve the problem. These days you have just one or two, but in the old days there was a whole team.

Because then they would lose hideous amounts of money as has been pointed out. Petrol is a loss leader - it does not make money. The only way they negate the loss from you buying petrol is if you agree to "would you like to get two cans of V for $5?" which they can't do if their gas station computers simply see and charge you without a human intervening to try the upsell.

Well they must hate me. I never buy from petrol station shops unless I am on a long drive and need a snack!

Maybe if they start stocking Ginster's Cornish Pasties...!

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#1181591 23-Nov-2014 14:25

It seems supermarkets want in on the action.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/63452775/Checkout-staff-made-to-pay-for-theft

A supermarket boss told teenage checkout girls to fork out up to $700 when organised thieves walked off with full trolleys.

Pak 'nSave has confirmed the wage-docking incident at its Whakatane store.

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#1181599 23-Nov-2014 15:14

Athlonite:
Sideface: Then why should garage employees be charged for thefts by drive-away criminals?

If there's an prepay condition to get gas and the attendant turns on the pump without getting the money first then it's a YES they should pay for it
But if there isn't any such requirement then NO they should not have to pay for it

Absolutely not!

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#1181637 23-Nov-2014 15:55

MrJonathanNZ: It seems supermarkets want in on the action.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/63452775/Checkout-staff-made-to-pay-for-theft
A supermarket boss told teenage checkout girls to fork out up to $700 when organised thieves walked off with full trolleys. Pak 'nSave has confirmed the wage-docking incident at its Whakatane store.

I pity those people who slog their lives away for minimum wage and get shunted like that. not sure which is worse. you could say at least we have jobs and mcdonald's and no bombs wrecking concrete and ak-47s killing randomly. or you could say the poor souls with no education being milked by the rich and well off. I just don't know what to think anymore.

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#1181663 23-Nov-2014 17:45

Geektastic:

I recall seeing a material on TV that was a clear acrylic type (such as European car plates are made of) and if you pulled it too hard so it bent beyond a certain point (as you might when trying to steal a well fixed plate) it broke something layered in it and it just went black, rendering the plate useless because you could no longer see the numbers.

Like bent as in someone with a towbar backs into your car rendering you plate useless?? Who's paying to replace that? I'd imagine they wouldn't be cheap.

And your idea of RFID that only police can read... That'll be handy for witnesses of any crime, "it was a black car with no plates". Someone dies in a hit and run that 30 people saw, but nobody could ID the vehicle.
Clever. :/

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#1181808 23-Nov-2014 23:00

blakamin:
Geektastic:

I recall seeing a material on TV that was a clear acrylic type (such as European car plates are made of) and if you pulled it too hard so it bent beyond a certain point (as you might when trying to steal a well fixed plate) it broke something layered in it and it just went black, rendering the plate useless because you could no longer see the numbers.

Like bent as in someone with a towbar backs into your car rendering you plate useless?? Who's paying to replace that? I'd imagine they wouldn't be cheap.

And your idea of RFID that only police can read... That'll be handy for witnesses of any crime, "it was a black car with no plates". Someone dies in a hit and run that 30 people saw, but nobody could ID the vehicle.
Clever. :/

Or...you could try suggesting something that might work?

I've been driving and owning cars for about 30 years and so far not one person has reversed a towbar into one of my vehicles. Maybe it's just the sort of places you go?

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#1181810 23-Nov-2014 23:05

Me either, I have had people park by braille against my towbar on occasion, so that is a good reason to have one ;)

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#1181902 24-Nov-2014 09:14

networkn:
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networkn:
mattwnz:
Bung:
Geektastic: There are also plenty of NPR systems (number plate recognition) that could read and record the plates, times and dates of arrival and exit for every vehicle coming onto the forecourt.

That only works if the plates belong to the car. Plates are often taken from same brand similar model donor cars. The camera wouldn't record enough info to show the plate and car didn't match.

They could still have a pin as a second level of defense. At the end of the day it can be solved if enough money is thrown at it.

Hahaha yah because retail petrol sales is such a profitable business.

What a lot of people seem to mix up is petrol stations and petrol companies. Not many really rich station owners.

Depends on the petrol station, as to whether it is a franchise one, or one owned and operated by the fuel company. But when there is a 20 cent difference in fuel, in two close areas, depending on wether there is a low cost operateor in the area, some are making good margins. But they make a good amount of money from the addons and other things they sell, which are sold for very high margins. Some are essentially dairies.

You are confusing petrol sales for other things. They aren't going to use profits from the sale of dairy type products, to pay for upgrades that allow people out of their sales area faster are they ? Does that sounds like reasonable business sense? Petrol Sales alone are not making anyone rich and you will find, that often places doing "cheap" petrol are selling for a loss, and there is also differences in what one station or brand will pay for petrol compared to another. My understanding from someone in the industry, is that pretty much regardless of brand or type, petrol sales have low margins.

I hear the sweat shops of Bangladesh don't have high margins for their owners either. +1 for Campbell Live

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#1181908 24-Nov-2014 09:20

You are confusing petrol sales for other things. They aren't going to use profits from the sale of dairy type products, to pay for upgrades that allow people out of their sales area faster are they ? Does that sounds like reasonable business sense? Petrol Sales alone are not making anyone rich and you will find, that often places doing "cheap" petrol are selling for a loss, and there is also differences in what one station or brand will pay for petrol compared to another. My understanding from someone in the industry, is that pretty much regardless of brand or type, petrol sales have low margins.

I hear the sweat shops of Bangladesh don't have high margins for their owners either. +1 for Campbell Live

It's hard to take your comments seriously when you are making silly comparisons.

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#1181938 24-Nov-2014 09:57

networkn:

You are confusing petrol sales for other things. They aren't going to use profits from the sale of dairy type products, to pay for upgrades that allow people out of their sales area faster are they ? Does that sounds like reasonable business sense? Petrol Sales alone are not making anyone rich and you will find, that often places doing "cheap" petrol are selling for a loss, and there is also differences in what one station or brand will pay for petrol compared to another. My understanding from someone in the industry, is that pretty much regardless of brand or type, petrol sales have low margins.

I hear the sweat shops of Bangladesh don't have high margins for their owners either. +1 for Campbell Live

It's hard to take your comments seriously when you are making silly comparisons.

Ok, slightly tongue in cheek … I guess my point was that low margins are no excuse whatsoever for treating minimum wage employees in such a despicable manner. Good job for Campbell outing this guy. With a bit of luck, he’ll be out of business soon. We don’t need employers like him.

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#1181963 24-Nov-2014 10:24

dafman:
networkn:

You are confusing petrol sales for other things. They aren't going to use profits from the sale of dairy type products, to pay for upgrades that allow people out of their sales area faster are they ? Does that sounds like reasonable business sense? Petrol Sales alone are not making anyone rich and you will find, that often places doing "cheap" petrol are selling for a loss, and there is also differences in what one station or brand will pay for petrol compared to another. My understanding from someone in the industry, is that pretty much regardless of brand or type, petrol sales have low margins.

I hear the sweat shops of Bangladesh don't have high margins for their owners either. +1 for Campbell Live

It's hard to take your comments seriously when you are making silly comparisons.

Ok, slightly tongue in cheek … I guess my point was that low margins are no excuse whatsoever for treating minimum wage employees in such a despicable manner. Good job for Campbell outing this guy. With a bit of luck, he’ll be out of business soon. We don’t need employers like him.

I think people in general need to peg off a little here. It's about intent. It's been made clear that the documentation provided by Gull to the Franchises was ambiguous and some of the franchises have mis-interpreted which resulted in this behaviour. I believe matters should be put into the perspective
of intent, and I don't think intent from the owners has not been made completely clear. People make mistakes, employers included, and wishing someone out of business without all the facts, seems harsh to me.

I think you have mistaken what I said about low margins. I was stating that in a business making low margins on one product, aren't likely to spend a lot of money on adding convience for motorists to pay at the pump as this makes it even more likely you will continue to have low income.

I never claimed, nor do I believe that low margin businesses should treat staff badly.

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