2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2676147 17-Mar-2021 15:40

Not cited the source, But herald appear to have started a stats tracker https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/vaccine-tracker-how-many-kiwis-have-been-vaccinated-and-how-do-we-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-world/ENMCOHM5QW6W3UN6MRMCOQKO2U/

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#2676150 17-Mar-2021 15:44

Kind of typical / expected:

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#2676162 17-Mar-2021 16:01

It's as if they like confirming the 'big pharma' conspiracist thoughts lol

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#2676164 17-Mar-2021 16:04

Oblivian:

Not cited the source, But herald appear to have started a stats tracker https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/vaccine-tracker-how-many-kiwis-have-been-vaccinated-and-how-do-we-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-world/ENMCOHM5QW6W3UN6MRMCOQKO2U/

That's been there for a while #2672412

But yes, would be nice to know the source

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#2676166 17-Mar-2021 16:11

Fred99:
First double-blind placebo trial results (published in the NEJM) of the AstraZenica vaccine against B.1.351 (aka South African Variant) has shown very poor efficacy (~10%).

A two-dose regimen of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine did not show protection against mild-to-moderate Covid-19 due to the B.1.351 variant.

Median age of N= ~2000 participants in the trial was 30, so if there were any "moderate to severe" cases, it's probably not statistically significant.

IMO this presents a dilemma, continued use of the vaccine will save lives from other variants, but it's also applying selective pressure for the B.1.351 to become the dominant strain.

It's not good news but also not a big surprise. Given that there will almost certainly have to be booster shots for all vaccines there seems a strong case to keep using it unless that is the dominant strain in a region.

Most countries have a mix of vaccines in use which is also helpful.

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#2676170 17-Mar-2021 16:20

Gap widening 😒. NZ only ~1360 does per day ave over the last week. Per capita about half the AU rate over the last week. Both well below what will be needed.

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#2676173 17-Mar-2021 16:22

Handle9: Given that there will almost certainly have to be booster shots for all vaccines there seems a strong case to keep using it unless that is the dominant strain in a region.

That will risk (almost guarantee) making it the dominant strain in the region.

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#2676188 17-Mar-2021 16:31

Fred99:
Handle9: Given that there will almost certainly have to be booster shots for all vaccines there seems a strong case to keep using it unless that is the dominant strain in a region.

That will risk (almost guarantee) making it the dominant strain in the region.

There's a certainty of deaths and significant illness now

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#2676265 17-Mar-2021 19:54

There's a certainty of deaths and significant illness now

Sure, as I said:

...this presents a dilemma, continued use of the vaccine will save lives from other variants, but it's also applying selective pressure for the B.1.351 to become the dominant strain.

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#2676267 17-Mar-2021 19:55

DS248:

Oblivian:

Not cited the source, But herald appear to have started a stats tracker https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/vaccine-tracker-how-many-kiwis-have-been-vaccinated-and-how-do-we-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-world/ENMCOHM5QW6W3UN6MRMCOQKO2U/

That's been there for a while #2672412

But yes, would be nice to know the source

Following links from the FT Vaccine Tracker leads to RNZ, where the source is identified; ie. namely, Hipkins press briefings. The data are the same as in the Herald.

Poor that the Herald do not appear to identify the source.

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#2676268 17-Mar-2021 19:56

Have there been any cases of covid in our prisons? Ever?

Delete cookies?! Are you insane?!

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#2676269 17-Mar-2021 19:58

Fred99:

There's a certainty of deaths and significant illness now

Sure, as I said:

...this presents a dilemma, continued use of the vaccine will save lives from other variants, but it's also applying selective pressure for the B.1.351 to become the dominant strain.

It's a dilemma in a theoretical sense but not really practically. If vaccines weren't so supply constrained I'd agree wholeheartedly.

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#2676270 17-Mar-2021 19:59

kiwifidget:

Have there been any cases of covid in our prisons? Ever?

No but it's one of those risk mitigation things - if covid gets into a prison it will rip through the whole prison very very quickly.

On a practical side it's also really easy to vaccinate a prison. People will be where you tell them to be, when you want them to be there.

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#2676323 18-Mar-2021 07:21

DS248:

Gap widening 😒. NZ only ~1360 does per day ave over the last week. Per capita about half the AU rate over the last week. Both well below what will be needed.

Are we still working on border and border related vaccinations? Australia is too, or are they on the masses mode now?

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