Electric car total cost of ownership calculation

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#2005733 1-May-2018 10:21

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But if they depreciate 80% in 3 years, and the EV engine effectively doesn't wear like an ICE, a 3yo EV is the bargain of the century, and a 1yo or 2yo will also be a great buy. Its like getting a used ICE with 280,000km on the clock but you dont get that woith an EV, its used woith regular mileage and little if any wear. Battery level down a bit yes

The driveline should last for just about ever, but not sure about the batteries and they're almost as expensive to replace as an ICE.

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#2005741 1-May-2018 10:27

Well according to the linked article the Leaf gets a 4,500 pound subsidy, which according to ANZ's forex calculator is NZ$8,982.

So above where someone comments that the 2018 Leaf is more expensive in NZ than overseas, yes the 2018 Leaf retail price here will be at least $8,982 more expensive than the UK, plus you have to add shipping, GST and mark up of course (you may be able to get a VAT refund when you export from the UK which would neutralise the GST - ?).

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#2005759 1-May-2018 10:36

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tdgeek:

But if they depreciate 80% in 3 years, and the EV engine effectively doesn't wear like an ICE, a 3yo EV is the bargain of the century, and a 1yo or 2yo will also be a great buy. Its like getting a used ICE with 280,000km on the clock but you dont get that woith an EV, its used woith regular mileage and little if any wear. Battery level down a bit yes

The driveline should last for just about ever, but not sure about the batteries and they're almost as expensive to replace as an ICE.

I'd like to know that costs, even a rough ballpark. If I bought an EV, I would want to know the dropoff rate of the charging level, and the dropoff rate of the power/torque, and the replacement net costs (Cost, plus install, less trade in of used batteries if that happens) Then I would accrue in a spare bank account, the battery replacement cost, and treat that as part of my weekly "fuel" cost. Lets say it was $20 per week. From then on my EV will last forever. If it has all the things I want I can treat it as a long term vehicle, and move away form the "Hmm, this new model has more chrome, etc" and just treat the car as an A to B device.

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#2005781 1-May-2018 10:48

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But all the Leafs (Leaves? LOL) I've seen are ex Japan based on the character set on the display.

There are plenty around that are ex UK, but not as many as ex Japan. They command a premium price because they are all in English, have better chargers, and often lower km's etc.

The clue is in the trim/model name. Japan uses letters like X, M and S, where the UK uses names like Tekna. There are presently 14 Tekna's for sale on Trademe.

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#2005844 1-May-2018 11:47

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Tks for the link. I dont get it. The grant is only 2500, I cant see how that avoids significantly more expensive or prohibitively more expensive

Its 2500, not 15000.

But if they depreciate 80% in 3 years, and the EV engine effectively doesn't wear like an ICE, a 3yo EV is the bargain of the century, and a 1yo or 2yo will also be a great buy. Its like getting a used ICE with 280,000km on the clock but you dont get that woith an EV, its used woith regular mileage and little if any wear. Battery level down a bit yes

Full-electric cars like the Nissan Leaf and Renault Zoe would be significantly more expensive than equivalent petrol or diesel family hatchbacks and superminis were it not for the reduction in price provided by the plug-in car grant. They also suffer from very heavy depreciation, with the Nissan Leaf retaining only 20% of its value after three years/36,000 miles, so total running costs could become prohibitively expensive were it not for the grant.

Pfwoah, if that's the case, let's hire a boat and bring back a load of 3 year old UK Leafs! With a ~25,000 GBP as new price, that's less than NZD 50K. Times 20 per cent is only NZD 10K! Even if you had to buy an all-new battery you're still saving compared to sticker prices in NZ, and would have a new battery.

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#2005848 1-May-2018 11:50

tdgeek:

I'd like to know that costs, even a rough ballpark. If I bought an EV, I would want to know the dropoff rate of the charging level, and the dropoff rate of the power/torque, and the replacement net costs (Cost, plus install, less trade in of used batteries if that happens) Then I would accrue in a spare bank account, the battery replacement cost, and treat that as part of my weekly "fuel" cost. Lets say it was $20 per week. From then on my EV will last forever. If it has all the things I want I can treat it as a long term vehicle, and move away form the "Hmm, this new model has more chrome, etc" and just treat the car as an A to B device.

Some good info here: https://electrek.co/2018/03/26/nissan-leaf-battery-pack-replacement-program/

Service isn't available here, but a Nissan refurbished battery pack is a bit under USD 3K, new a bit over USD 6K.

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#2005853 1-May-2018 11:55

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Pfwoah, if that's the case, let's hire a boat and bring back a load of 3 year old UK Leafs! With a ~25,000 GBP as new price, that's less than NZD 50K. Times 20 per cent is only NZD 10K! Even if you had to buy an all-new battery you're still saving compared to sticker prices in NZ, and would have a new battery.

Yes, 80% depreciation over 3 years, I dont believe that

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#2005860 1-May-2018 12:01

mdf:

tdgeek:

I'd like to know that costs, even a rough ballpark. If I bought an EV, I would want to know the dropoff rate of the charging level, and the dropoff rate of the power/torque, and the replacement net costs (Cost, plus install, less trade in of used batteries if that happens) Then I would accrue in a spare bank account, the battery replacement cost, and treat that as part of my weekly "fuel" cost. Lets say it was $20 per week. From then on my EV will last forever. If it has all the things I want I can treat it as a long term vehicle, and move away form the "Hmm, this new model has more chrome, etc" and just treat the car as an A to B device.

Some good info here: https://electrek.co/2018/03/26/nissan-leaf-battery-pack-replacement-program/

Service isn't available here, but a Nissan refurbished battery pack is a bit under USD 3K, new a bit over USD 6K.

Thats not bad. Assume US$10k for a new set of 60kW, or less for refabricated.

Say NZ$16000 over 10 years about $30 per week, maybe half for used. Not too bad I guess

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#2005945 1-May-2018 12:52

Wonder if @ruki would like to chime in here? Any real world data about battery wear and how easy/hard/expensive it will be to replace / refurbish EV batteries?

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#2006072 1-May-2018 15:31

$7500 US subsidy

https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf.html

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