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#1007382 17-Mar-2014 15:33

turnin:
I still wonder what it was the kiwi saw from the oil rig it which I think lines up with the non seismic event on the sea floor in that exact area.

What "non seismic event on the sea floor"?

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#1007384 17-Mar-2014 15:35

Fred99: Most suicides for those reasons don't knowingly and willingly take (238) innocent unknown others with them when they go.

Fortunately not, but they also tend to absolutely lack the capability of doing so.

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#1007385 17-Mar-2014 15:37

Technofreak: The searchers have released information that gives position information based on the last received satellite pings.

If they have position information from theses pings, it stands to reason that they have the same information from earlier pings.

Not necessarily... it may be that only at certain times is the geometry right (i.e. 3 or 4 satellites all receive the same ping). So depending on satellite orbits and the aircraft position, there may be periods when they don't have any useful position information.

Maybe they turned on more detailed ping logging when they knew the aircraft was missing. Or maybe the logs of the earlier pings had already been overwritten before their value was known.

Also remember that they are deriving this information from a system not designed to collect it... these satellites are there to provide communications, not positional information. There may be days of work to produce a program to calculate a position. There may be days of super-computer time required to calculate *each* position. Logic would say to start with the last one and work backwards.

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#1007386 17-Mar-2014 15:39

Fred99:
turnin:
I still wonder what it was the kiwi saw from the oil rig it which I think lines up with the non seismic event on the sea floor in that exact area.

What "non seismic event on the sea floor"?

Depends what you've been reading and what spin the publisher put on it. Some reports have said the Chinese detected a non-seismic event on the sea floor about 70km from the oil rig off the Vietnamese coast, while others say it was an event in a non-seismic area. Still others say it was a very minor seismic event in a seismic area. And it was around the time the plane initially disappeared from radar, so well before the last ping.

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#1007387 17-Mar-2014 15:39

Well if it crashed at sea, eventually there will be debris washing ashore, such as foam seats, as a plane crash will make a lot of mess. But could take months depending on where it crashed. If it had crashed in the sea on it's actual flight path, wouldn't some of the debris have already washed up? I think they have already rules that out, as they are no longer even searching in that area now.

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#1007395 17-Mar-2014 15:51

ajobbins: The Suicide angle -

Why would you go to all the trouble of turning the plane around to crash it into the Indian ocean and turning off all those systems etc. If you wanted to crash the plane into the ocean, the pilot could simple turn off the autopilot and point the nose down and it would be all over in a couple of minutes

Why would you expect a suicidal person to act rationally?

In NZ, it's not unheard of for people to head off somewhere remote to commit suicide, when they could more easily do it at home. Admittedly, they don't take a 777 and 300 people with them, but my point is that assuming rationality isn't rational. ;)

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#1007398 17-Mar-2014 15:52

mattwnz: Well if it crashed at sea, eventually there will be debris washing ashore, such as foam seats, as a plane crash will make a lot of mess. But could take months depending on where it crashed. If it had crashed in the sea on it's actual flight path, wouldn't some of the debris have already washed up? I think they have already rules that out, as they are no longer even searching in that area now.

Yes - it might take a very long time...
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#1007399 17-Mar-2014 15:54

The last message from the pilot was calm and normal after the transponder had been turned off. (I know very little about the workings of an aircraft) Is it possible that a small slow burning fire had started within the avionics in the guts of the plane slowing disabling parts of the communications then the flight controls leaving a ghost plane flying until its fuel runs out?

I'm not a complete idiot, I still have some parts missing.

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#1007404 17-Mar-2014 16:01

sittingduckz: The last message from the pilot was calm and normal after the transponder had been turned off. (I know very little about the workings of an aircraft) Is it possible that a small slow burning fire had started within the avionics in the guts of the plane slowing disabling parts of the communications then the flight controls leaving a ghost plane flying until its fuel runs out?

No, because they tracked that it had intentionally had it's direction changed, and had also intentionally had things disabled to stop it being tracked. It make you wonder which pilot made the last transmission, and if they were aware that the transponder had been disabled at that point.

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#1007406 17-Mar-2014 16:03

sittingduckz: The last message from the pilot was calm and normal after the transponder had been turned off. (I know very little about the workings of an aircraft) Is it possible that a small slow burning fire had started within the avionics in the guts of the plane slowing disabling parts of the communications then the flight controls leaving a ghost plane flying until its fuel runs out?

Not really, as the later radar and "ping" locations indicate that it was under pilot control.
There was a theory that as Boeing has issued an airworthiness directive about inspecting the skin around a satcom antenna on 777s, and that this failure could lead to cabin depressurisation, then this might be a possible explanation, but again there's lots of evidence this didn't happen (aircraft still sending ACARS pings, it seemed to be under pilot control on a deliberate path, the pilot was spoken to after the transponder was turned off etc).

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#1007410 17-Mar-2014 16:10

Fred99:
turnin:
I still wonder what it was the kiwi saw from the oil rig it which I think lines up with the non seismic event on the sea floor in that exact area.

What "non seismic event on the sea floor"?

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http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1448353/us-suggests-search-missing-flight-expand-indian-ocean-mh370-satellite

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http://seis.ustc.edu.cn/News/201403/t20140314_191123.html

I also note one of the pilots close friends who is in the opposition party has said the pilot would not do such a thing
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1449248/profiles-missing-malaysia-airlines-jets-pilots-emerge
When the Boston bombers friend said a similar thing he ended up with a hole in the back of his head.

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#1007414 17-Mar-2014 16:21

This is quite a good map showing where it could have reached. http://static.stuff.co.nz/files/MH370graphic17.jpg

Potentially it could have got as far as Iran, and there are a lot of other countries where you certainly wouldn't want to land.

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#1007415 17-Mar-2014 16:22

Perhaps the passengers bribed the pilots to land in the Maldives? :)

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#1007422 17-Mar-2014 16:27

https://www.youtube.com/user/catalinapby1
^ Pilots youtube page, he subscribed to some fairly normal stuff, science mainly, including TED, some of his comments were political but hey so are mine, I'd guess he was left wing - ish, he also made a couple of vids, sounds pretty normal to me.

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#1007424 17-Mar-2014 16:30

turnin: https://www.youtube.com/user/catalinapby1
^ Pilots youtube page, he subscribed to some fairly normal stuff, science mainly, including TED, some of his comments were political but hey so are mine, I'd guess he was left wing - ish, he also made a couple of vids, sounds pretty normal to me.

Apparently he also stayed in NZ in 2012. Love how NZ media love to give the story some NZ connection.

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