I'm still voting Labour, Luxon is absolutely clueless.

quickymart:

 

I'm still voting Labour, Luxon is absolutely clueless.

 

And I WONT vote labour because they lied about the "tax loop hole".

There is also the issues with

Health crisis

Mental Health crisis

GP looming crisis

Education crisis

Tertiary education crisis

Crime increase

Juvenile crime crisis

Roads full of pot holes

Are all of these entirely Labours fault, no, but them have done nothin g to improve them either. After 6 years if they can not take ownership of their term and its results then they of no use to me.

And yes, I vote Labour the last 2 times.

Cool, thanks for sharing. I'll take that under advisement.

quickymart:

 

I'm still voting Labour, Luxon is absolutely clueless.

 

Good on you for voting.

I won't be voting Labour as I am not happy with the state of social cohesion, education, law & order, the economy/inflation/cost-of-living and education under their two terms. These are all in the worst state I have seen in a lifetime. The education my youngest child is receiving is sub-standard and NZ used to have a system that was the envy of the world. 

Luxon is clearly not clueless as his CV illustrates. However he's not a slick politician, not good at sneaking in a little lie without getting caught. Not good at covering his tracks... but those things are not concerning to me. I care about competence and policy. This makes it hard to find a party to vote for... but I'm leaning towards ACT for policy and Nat for delivery competence.

Sir1963... Yeh Big Norm.

In those days it seems blocking/diverting calls was not a thing, as was damaging Telecoms property by ripping wires out of junction box.
Government property you know.

https://www.metromag.co.nz/society/big-norm-me

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He told me he’d be back at work in a month and that a stalker had been keeping him up all night by calling his phone every hour on the hour.
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Good on you in your endeavors fixing stuff.
You see stories overseas of community repair centers and efforts to rescue reusable stuff from the garbage.
I understand that Christchuch has an effort to recover reusable or fixable, but Auckland not so much.

For Labour to blame for youth crime.
Well much is dominated by ramraids.
I understand this has been a trend in Australia for many years 2018 and before.

Australia kindly gifted us with upwards of 1000 501's during pandemic, lovely.
Any Government would be challenged by double hit of such, with a potion of career criminals, and upheavals of SARS-Cov2.
Using children that insulate organizers from Jail time was a characteristic of this in Aussie too.

This can be seen in the Australian style of gang violence as well.
its hard enough working with people that have some sort of support network, but for people who are totally adrift. 

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/13-06-2023/has-labour-worsened-inequality

A look at how Labour has performed with inequality measures.

sir1963:

 

 

 

And I WONT vote labour because they lied about the "tax loop hole".

 

There is also the issues with

 

Health crisis

 

Mental Health crisis

 

GP looming crisis

 

Education crisis

 

Tertiary education crisis

 

Crime increase

 

Juvenile crime crisis

 

Roads full of pot holes

 

 

 

Are all of these entirely Labours fault, no, but them have done nothin g to improve them either. After 6 years if they can not take ownership of their term and its results then they of no use to me.

 

 

 

as yes, I vote Labour the last 2 times.

 

100%

Ive posted before that resolving everything is impossible in NZ. We dont have the resources, such as Scottish oil, Rio Rinto minerals.

Now, we can do what a low income household who owned a house would do, work through the issues as they can, with priorities.

Governments dont do that. 1st priority is votes, which may be tax cuts we cannot afford, or benefit increases which we cannot afford (and the direction that gives people)

National/Labour/Greens/ACT/ Commies, it will always be the same. Satisfy some not others. Vote them out. Let alone the long term investments in infrastructure, health, housing that that we need. But unlike home owners, long term stuff isnt NOW stuff, so not vote worthy.

Nothing will change. Ironically you could put that down to democracy. If we had an autocratic leader such as Mother Theresa, that can work, but autocrats and dictators always have a non populous focus, so that doesnt work either

johno1234:

 

 

 

Luxon is clearly not clueless as his CV illustrates. However he's not a slick politician, not good at sneaking in a little lie without getting caught. Not good at covering his tracks... but those things are not concerning to me. I care about competence and policy. This makes it hard to find a party to vote for... but I'm leaning towards ACT for policy and Nat for delivery competence.

 

 

 

Interesting. (serious comment not a dig)

Competence is subjective. Offer little, you wont be seen as incompetent. Policy, offer little you wont be seen as incompetent. National is conservative so that's what you will see. Conservatiism has a real and valid place, no question. 

If we are lacking in all the sectors that are repeating over and over, what then? If Labour are idiots, not them. If National are conservative, not them. If Greens are too left and out there, not them. If ACT are too alt-right, not them.

Arguably, supporting Greens will hold back Labour, good. Supporting ACT will hold back National, good. But if Greens or ACT got a huge result, they will be effective, i.e. can demand this and that. In a perfect world, National and Labour would falter, Greens and ACT will rise, theoretically 4 major parties (accurately, 4 large minority parties) If National or Labour win well they have a 100% mandate. If its a 55/45 coalition/partnership, thats problematic.

End of the day no matter who wins, 50% will be angry. 80% as they vote for their party no matter what. Democracy is he best solution but its to "vote for me" driven

quickymart:

 

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/13-06-2023/has-labour-worsened-inequality

 

A look at how Labour has performed with inequality measures.

 

The conclusion in the second part of that series is a lot harder to justify if you actually read the first bit. 

It's hard to get my head around what Rashbrooke thinks is reasonable criticism then. One can only imagine it's 'basic scrutiny' or 'being held to your own election promises'.

The comment about National's response to the GFC is also perplexing, considering Labour was in power until late 2008. They Key government wasn't sworn in until November.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-medical-schools-to-take-50-extra-students-as-government-targets-severe-doctor-shortages/6UPWOLMIOZG6JFZ6UNDBXKECU4/

This is good. Not a short-term band-aid solution. Ideally there is an ongoing conversation about the best way to deliver medical students and medical services as the status quo has been unworkable for some time.

GV27:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-medical-schools-to-take-50-extra-students-as-government-targets-severe-doctor-shortages/6UPWOLMIOZG6JFZ6UNDBXKECU4/

 

This is good. Not a short-term band-aid solution. Ideally there is an ongoing conversation about the best way to deliver medical students and medical services as the status quo has been unworkable for some time.

 

This same government had previously turned the medical school down in their request to increase their rolls.
Any student taken on next year will still take 10 years before they become GPs
Then you get the issue that NZ graduates head to Australia , better pay, better working conditions.
2/3 of our GPs are due to retire within the next 10 years, possibly more with burnout.

Because of all the bureaucracy involved, including having to repeat entire medical work ups to try and get patients to see specialists, GPs are reducing their hours where they see patients leading to fewer slots available.
Trying to get a locum in so they can take holidays is pretty much impossible.

The "$23 Million over 10 years" is to try and make it sound far more impressive than it is and hide the fact they are underfunding Universities by hundreds of million a year.
And this will not be "new" money, it will simply be a reallocation of money that was already saved through lower University enrolments.
Combine that with Universities killing whole subjects and reducing staff numbers that $23 Million is still an over all reducing in funding.

GV27:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-medical-schools-to-take-50-extra-students-as-government-targets-severe-doctor-shortages/6UPWOLMIOZG6JFZ6UNDBXKECU4/

 

This is good. Not a short-term band-aid solution. Ideally there is an ongoing conversation about the best way to deliver medical students and medical services as the status quo has been unworkable for some time.

 

It would be even better if they introduced a bonding system. Too many head overseas after being trained at great expense.

johno1234:

 

GV27:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-medical-schools-to-take-50-extra-students-as-government-targets-severe-doctor-shortages/6UPWOLMIOZG6JFZ6UNDBXKECU4/

 

This is good. Not a short-term band-aid solution. Ideally there is an ongoing conversation about the best way to deliver medical students and medical services as the status quo has been unworkable for some time.

 

 

It would be even better if they introduced a bonding system. Too many head overseas after being trained at great expense.

 

 

 

Ahh...we are a free democracy. People are allowed to leave NZ.
We have people with all sorts of qualifications who head overseas, particularly if they are doing post graduate studies
Perhaps the better solution is to create an employment situation where they want to stay

8% of our NZ registered nurses now work in Australia.

Trapping people here in NZ is not actually solving the problem

johno1234:

 

GV27:

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-zealand-medical-schools-to-take-50-extra-students-as-government-targets-severe-doctor-shortages/6UPWOLMIOZG6JFZ6UNDBXKECU4/

 

This is good. Not a short-term band-aid solution. Ideally there is an ongoing conversation about the best way to deliver medical students and medical services as the status quo has been unworkable for some time.

 

 

It would be even better if they introduced a bonding system. Too many head overseas after being trained at great expense.

 

 

 

They take on large student loans (and are therefore paying for their education - and its not discounted), they work in the community and hospital settings contributing like all other healthcare employees.  Whose expense is being incurred for their training??

If you want a bonding system then the quid-pro-quo is that their training is subsidised (ie their employer pays for it) in return for their working (like any other bonding scheme in NZ).  As doctors are paid employees from PGY1 then you'd be suggesting that they are paid an additional training bonus or retention payment on top of their salary as house officers, med reg etc to stay in any area (regional or workforce setting).  

The better thing to do would be to pay them (and nurses etc etc) more.  As primary teachers have got a 20% boost in pay packets by the end of 2024 then surely nurses and doctors get an offer better than the sub-inflation offers on the table at present?

We're in a recession.  Spin doctor aka Finance Minister:

Finance Minister Grant Robertson said the economy was still showing resilience.

“The result was not a surprise. We know 2023 is a challenging year as global growth slows, inflation has stayed higher for longer and the impacts of North Island weather events continue to disrupt households and businesses,” he said.

In the May Budget (less than 1 month ago) Treasury stated

"While we no longer anticipate a technical recession during 2023, growth remains low and labour market conditions will begin to deteriorate. "  [page 9]

Treasury also expects annual GDP for the June yr to be 3.2% which implies significant growth in the current 3 months - we will need 2.5% quarterly growth to meet Treasurys forecasts (which had almost 10 months of economic activity already baked in).

One week later the RBNZ in its MPS stated:

"While economic activity in the last quarter of 2022 was weaker than expected, further economic contraction during 2023 remains possible. The level of GDP is assumed to decline over 2023, but to a lesser extent than was expected in the February Statement."

"We assume that the economy expanded by 0.3 percent in the March 2023 quarter, but contracts modestly thereafter."

In fact the RBNZ was anticipating that a shallow recession was going to occur in the June and September quarters to make a flat annual result for calendar 2023.

Will we double dip?  A return to growth in the June quarter and another recession in the 2nd half?  It certainly doesnt feel like it give things like retail sales in April and May.  Or are we going to have 4 quarters of negative growth (2 in the bag and the 2 that the RBNZ think are going to happen)?  

If Robertson is not surprised then clearly he knows more than Treasury and the RBNZ combined and perhaps he should have been correcting them before the Budget.  Or more likely the growth figures are an indication that the Government does have a clue what its doing.  There continues to be a need to cut spending (like households are having to) and let the RBNZ cut interest rates to get us out of this stagflation but this clueless Government is sending us backwards.