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networkn: I am interested to see that when I click start and type "update" or "windows update" I no longer get the windows update app?
DizzyD:freitasm:
It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.
Has there ever been a Windows OS that has been any different? I cant help but think back to the days of Win 95, Windows ME, Vista, and that awful first drop of the dreadful Windows 8. Granted XP and Windows 7 have probably rated as the best. But I think for completeness Windows 10 is right up there with XP and 7. In fact I'm having less problems with 10 than I ever had on XP or Win7.
So there is now patch which is missing its release notes.
Hopefully the release notes are published soon. In the meantime if you worried about it, simply don't install it.
MikeB4: You can look upon Windows being like Linux Distributions and OSX and constantly evolving, it is new to the Windows ecosystem and will take some getting used to, I am OK with it coming from a Linux/OSX background
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DizzyD:freitasm:
It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.
Has there ever been a Windows OS that has been any different? I cant help but think back to the days of Win 95, Windows ME, Vista, and that awful first drop of the dreadful Windows 8. Granted XP and Windows 7 have probably rated as the best. But I think for completeness Windows 10 is right up there with XP and 7. In fact I'm having less problems with 10 than I ever had on XP or Win7.
So there is now patch which is missing its release notes.
Hopefully the release notes are published soon. In the meantime if you worried about it, simply don't install it.
freitasm:
What I think is "annoying" is having somethings moved around or redone in a way that either make things harder than before, or obscure then so much it's a pain to use. Small things such as two more clicks to connect to a VPN. Yes, sure, a batch file might work but why break what was working fine before? Or the links to KB articles from Windows Update. Small things that leave this bad taste.
freitasm:DizzyD:freitasm:
It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.
Has there ever been a Windows OS that has been any different? I cant help but think back to the days of Win 95, Windows ME, Vista, and that awful first drop of the dreadful Windows 8. Granted XP and Windows 7 have probably rated as the best. But I think for completeness Windows 10 is right up there with XP and 7. In fact I'm having less problems with 10 than I ever had on XP or Win7.
So there is now patch which is missing its release notes.
Hopefully the release notes are published soon. In the meantime if you worried about it, simply don't install it.
I think Windows XP and Windows 7 were very well polished. The monthly updates were bug fixes, and that's understandable. Windows 8 was a disaster in terms of UI and UX. Windows 10 is nicely done but lots of small things that require a few more clicks than before, are harder to find, not in the most intuitive places. That's what I mean by "not finished".MikeB4: You can look upon Windows being like Linux Distributions and OSX and constantly evolving, it is new to the Windows ecosystem and will take some getting used to, I am OK with it coming from a Linux/OSX background
I fully expect OS to have patches as required, for new features and bug fixes. I have been in this game for many years - think CP/M, Burroughs MCP, etc since the mid 80s. I think some of your comments in this thread are condescending. If some people feel things aren't quite right and you feel different doesn't make it right. Perhaps these people have different views.
What I think is "annoying" is having somethings moved around or redone in a way that either make things harder than before, or obscure then so much it's a pain to use. Small things such as two more clicks to connect to a VPN. Yes, sure, a batch file might work but why break what was working fine before? Or the links to KB articles from Windows Update. Small things that leave this bad taste.
freitasm:DizzyD:freitasm:
It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.
Has there ever been a Windows OS that has been any different? I cant help but think back to the days of Win 95, Windows ME, Vista, and that awful first drop of the dreadful Windows 8. Granted XP and Windows 7 have probably rated as the best. But I think for completeness Windows 10 is right up there with XP and 7. In fact I'm having less problems with 10 than I ever had on XP or Win7.
So there is now patch which is missing its release notes.
Hopefully the release notes are published soon. In the meantime if you worried about it, simply don't install it.
I think Windows XP and Windows 7 were very well polished. The monthly updates were bug fixes, and that's understandable. Windows 8 was a disaster in terms of UI and UX. Windows 10 is nicely done but lots of small things that require a few more clicks than before, are harder to find, not in the most intuitive places. That's what I mean by "not finished".MikeB4: You can look upon Windows being like Linux Distributions and OSX and constantly evolving, it is new to the Windows ecosystem and will take some getting used to, I am OK with it coming from a Linux/OSX background
I fully expect OS to have patches as required, for new features and bug fixes. I have been in this game for many years - think CP/M, Burroughs MCP, etc since the mid 80s. I think some of your comments in this thread are condescending. If some people feel things aren't quite right and you feel different doesn't make it right. Perhaps these people have different views.
What I think is "annoying" is having somethings moved around or redone in a way that either make things harder than before, or obscure then so much it's a pain to use. Small things such as two more clicks to connect to a VPN. Yes, sure, a batch file might work but why break what was working fine before? Or the links to KB articles from Windows Update. Small things that leave this bad taste.
MikeB4:freitasm:DizzyD:freitasm:
It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.
Has there ever been a Windows OS that has been any different? I cant help but think back to the days of Win 95, Windows ME, Vista, and that awful first drop of the dreadful Windows 8. Granted XP and Windows 7 have probably rated as the best. But I think for completeness Windows 10 is right up there with XP and 7. In fact I'm having less problems with 10 than I ever had on XP or Win7.
So there is now patch which is missing its release notes.
Hopefully the release notes are published soon. In the meantime if you worried about it, simply don't install it.
I think Windows XP and Windows 7 were very well polished. The monthly updates were bug fixes, and that's understandable. Windows 8 was a disaster in terms of UI and UX. Windows 10 is nicely done but lots of small things that require a few more clicks than before, are harder to find, not in the most intuitive places. That's what I mean by "not finished".MikeB4: You can look upon Windows being like Linux Distributions and OSX and constantly evolving, it is new to the Windows ecosystem and will take some getting used to, I am OK with it coming from a Linux/OSX background
I fully expect OS to have patches as required, for new features and bug fixes. I have been in this game for many years - think CP/M, Burroughs MCP, etc since the mid 80s. I think some of your comments in this thread are condescending. If some people feel things aren't quite right and you feel different doesn't make it right. Perhaps these people have different views.
What I think is "annoying" is having somethings moved around or redone in a way that either make things harder than before, or obscure then so much it's a pain to use. Small things such as two more clicks to connect to a VPN. Yes, sure, a batch file might work but why break what was working fine before? Or the links to KB articles from Windows Update. Small things that leave this bad taste.
I get where you are coming from, however Windows XP only became a good OS with SP1 and a great OS with SP2. Windows 7 was very good from the start but still took a few updates to settle.
networkn: I am interested to see that when I click start and type "update" or "windows update" I no longer get the windows update app?
DizzyD:networkn: I am interested to see that when I click start and type "update" or "windows update" I no longer get the windows update app?
Its no longer a desktop app that why. There are others too, eg calculator (calc)
I suspect that over time more and more apps will start to slowly vanish from the desktop environment.
DizzyD:networkn: I am interested to see that when I click start and type "update" or "windows update" I no longer get the windows update app?
Its no longer a desktop app that why. There are others too, eg calculator (calc)
I suspect that over time more and more apps will start to slowly vanish from the desktop environment.
nathan:freitasm: Mike, it may not matter for the users at large, but it matters to some. I know very well how to use a search engine to find the KB, thanks. The point is the UI seems to be done in a rush. If they could save 15 minutes by not coding a hyperlink in Windows Update, just to ship the OS by the date they would.
It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.
You're right, Windows 10 is not finished
Microsoft is moving Windows 10 to a "Windows as a service" model that means the operating system is regularly updated based on feedback and automated telemetry.
That’s part of the reason Windows 10 is considered the "final version of Windows," as regular updates means it’s never really finished. We will never be done with Windows 10, we will be regularly rolling out future updates.
Lizard1977:nathan:freitasm: Mike, it may not matter for the users at large, but it matters to some. I know very well how to use a search engine to find the KB, thanks. The point is the UI seems to be done in a rush. If they could save 15 minutes by not coding a hyperlink in Windows Update, just to ship the OS by the date they would.
It makes me feel Windows 10 is not finished, by a long way. We are basically involved in one of the largest beta in the world. This isn't good.
You're right, Windows 10 is not finished
Microsoft is moving Windows 10 to a "Windows as a service" model that means the operating system is regularly updated based on feedback and automated telemetry.
That’s part of the reason Windows 10 is considered the "final version of Windows," as regular updates means it’s never really finished. We will never be done with Windows 10, we will be regularly rolling out future updates.
I tend to agree with Freitasm. I understand MS shift to a service model, but there's a difference between tuning the car and adding on the doors. I'm probably exaggerating, but there are several little things missing (which I recall being present in Windows 8 and earlier) that makes it feel like the engineers didn't get round to coding those things from scratch in time for inclusion (or were missed off the project plan). It feels like meeting the delivery date was prioritised over completeness. I would have been happier with it being a bit more complete (maybe not 100%) if it meant an extra month or two.
I'm sure it will feel more complete over the coming months, but right now I agree that it feels like it's just a very large beta test.
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