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#2078608 24-Aug-2018 15:29

I see petrol has hit $2.30 for 91 and $2.40 for 95 in Christchurch today. These must be record high prices.

Media is awfully silent as well.

My new (2013) Leaf is sitting a the port of Kobe in Japan........I cant wait to be out of the petrol game.

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#2078617 24-Aug-2018 15:59

Linuxluver:

On the subject of renting EVs, I signed up with yoogoshare.co.nz while at EV World in Auckland a few weeks ago.

I've been frustrated by the lack of support for EVs from any rental car company other than Europcar,

Both Yoogo and Europecar received fairly healthy chunks of money from EECA to fund their services

Yoogo got 500K and Europcar ~190K

https://www.eeca.govt.nz/assets/Resources-EECA/LEV-Contestable-Fund/LEVCF-approved-projects-round-2.pdf

Why would anyone else want to get into the game unless they can also get their hands on the same govt money...

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#2078905 25-Aug-2018 09:51

langi27:
I see petrol has hit $2.30 for 91 and $2.40 for 95 in Christchurch today. These must be record high prices.

Media is awfully silent as well.

My new (2013) Leaf is sitting a the port of Kobe in Japan........I cant wait to be out of the petrol game.

Because it's not Auckland

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#2080857 29-Aug-2018 15:42

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/petrol-passes-2-30-per-litre-hitting-new-record-and-prices-forecast-rise

Petrol passes $2.30 per litre hitting new record and prices are forecast to rise

"The price of 91 octane petrol has now exceeded $2.30 a litre, the highest price ever.

The Automobile Association says prices jumped up by three cents per litre yesterday, in response to rising oil prices.

That's due to reduced exports coming out of Iran ahead of heavy sanctions from the US Government.

While that increase has been predominantly offset by cheaper refined fuel, and a small gain in the New Zealand dollar, we're still forking out more at the pump.

According to the AA, the national fuel price for 91 octane is now $2.329 a litre.

The AA's Mark Stockdale says the latest price jump is unwarranted and doesn't correlate with what's happening in the market..."

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#2080899 29-Aug-2018 16:37

kingdragonfly: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/petrol-passes-2-30-per-litre-hitting-new-record-and-prices-forecast-rise

Petrol passes $2.30 per litre hitting new record and prices are forecast to rise

Gosh, $2.30 per litre, I'll have to go out right now and order my brand new $80,000 electric Kona which has a range of 400km, I'm sure it will pay itself off quite soon if petrol prices stay this high!

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#2080961 29-Aug-2018 17:29

I'm guessing you play the lottery to get rich.

May I suggest Googling the following, before posting insightful posts
ev "pays for itself"

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#2080967 29-Aug-2018 17:57

Delphinus:

Do you have 'fuel usage' data? Eg real world kWh per 100km?

On the highway I get about 6.5km / kWh......if I don't go over 100kph and accelerate gently.

In the city I can get 7 to 8km / kWh.....or even better.

The faster you go (and the stronger any head wind).....the more energy it "costs" you.

But as a good average for all kinds of driving, you could assume 7km / kWh - I pay 16c for that. So my energy cost per km is 0.16 / 7 = 2.2 cents per km.....for the electricity only. Yes, there will be regen factored in there, too, which is why it's hard to estimate. Driving downhill will be awesome. Driving uphill....less so.

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#2080969 29-Aug-2018 18:00

wellygary:

Linuxluver:

On the subject of renting EVs, I signed up with yoogoshare.co.nz while at EV World in Auckland a few weeks ago.

I've been frustrated by the lack of support for EVs from any rental car company other than Europcar,

Both Yoogo and Europecar received fairly healthy chunks of money from EECA to fund their services

Yoogo got 500K and Europcar ~190K

https://www.eeca.govt.nz/assets/Resources-EECA/LEV-Contestable-Fund/LEVCF-approved-projects-round-2.pdf

Why would anyone else want to get into the game unless they can also get their hands on the same govt money...

Gotta start somewhere. Those grants are to help cover the higher cost of the EVs and get the service up and running now......rather than wait for a cheaper time that may never come if everyone sits around waiting for the cheaper time.

Climate change isn't waiting for market forces purity. I don't want dogma to get in the way of action on a critical matter.

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#2081073 29-Aug-2018 19:49

kingdragonfly: I'm guessing you play the lottery to get rich.

May I suggest Googling the following, before posting insightful posts
ev "pays for itself"

Don't feed the troll. :-)

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#2081117 29-Aug-2018 21:38

frednz:

kingdragonfly: https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/petrol-passes-2-30-per-litre-hitting-new-record-and-prices-forecast-rise

Petrol passes $2.30 per litre hitting new record and prices are forecast to rise

Gosh, $2.30 per litre, I'll have to go out right now and order my brand new $80,000 electric Kona which has a range of 400km, I'm sure it will pay itself off quite soon if petrol prices stay this high!

$73,999.

:-)

The more you drive, the more you save.

Plus.....the most important thing, that some people have a lot of trouble keeping in view: climate change.

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#2081172 30-Aug-2018 07:40

Linuxluver:

Plus.....the most important thing, that some people have a lot of trouble keeping in view: climate change.

That was the most important thing for me. When our old Swift died, I could have spent $5,000 and replaced it with another small ICE car around 10 years old and been a bit better off per month than I am right now, having had to borrow money to buy a much more expensive car (although it is important to note that the car was much more expensive not just because it was an EV, but also because it was nearly brand new). But I'd be lying if I said I don't smile and make a mock-bewildered remark whenever someone here moans about the price of petrol going up again, or devising elaborate strategies to buy petrol outside Auckland to try to dodge the regional fuel tax.

I bought a truly brand-new car once, in my first proper job after university. I don't regret it. It was an Impreza and it was awesome. But I doubt I'll ever do it again, so the prices of brand new cars are somewhat of a moot point for me - and for most people, really, especially those battlers in the s****y people movers that @frednz keeps bringing up as if that somehow negates the requirement because they, presumably, live in a different Earth to the rest of us.

New cars will continue to be built, oil will continue to be sourced from the most unstable and worst human-rights-abusing regimes on the planet, petrol prices will continue to rise, and battery prices will fall as will the cost of the renewable electricity sources to feed them. It will not be long before it isn't "cars vs. electric cars" but rather "cars vs. petrol cars".

I can't afford a $73,000 car, and neither can most people. But that doesn't matter too much, because there are enough people who can to ensure they get built, and handed down to the rest of us in 3 years or so, by which time the next 60kWh car probably won't be $40,000 more expensive than the ICE version is.

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#2081205 30-Aug-2018 09:15

I was reading an article recently about Fisker Inc. They are aiming for systems with 1,000km range and a 1 minute recharge.

Technology based around solid-state batteries.

No idea how credible this is, but ... 1,000km range and 1 minute recharge is longer range and faster refill than any ICEV I'm familiar with.

Game changer if affordable enough for family cars.

Mike

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#2081294 30-Aug-2018 11:36

Equal range to ICE at the same price will be a game changer irrespective of recharge time.

Extremely fast recharge time marketing is to appeal to people stuck in the ICE liquid fuel mind set. The same people see a lack of charging stations every 5km as a major barrier even though 1,000km range will get you from one end of the island to the other and half way back. It isn't actually a big mind-set change to plug your car in and walk away. The way people (who don't own EV) talk about recharge times being so inconvenient, it seems like they think you have to watch it and do nothing else while it recharges.

At the end of the day most people (well kiwis at least) are cheap skates. Such extremely fast charge technology will require pretty specialised (and costly) recharge equipment which will add to the cost of extremely fast recharging. Given the choice most people who can will recharge on regular fast charger or at home overnight for less $$.

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#2081297 30-Aug-2018 11:44

tripper1000:

Given the choice most people who can will recharge on regular fast charger or at home overnight for less $$.

Fast charging infrastructure should be priced to discourage its use. It's better for the grid - which means, ultimately, better for the environment - to slow charge overnight because you use base load infrastructure which is typically the most efficient infrastructure. If everyone charges using fast chargers on the way home from work, peak generation infrastructure such as gas turbines are called into play.

Just another reason why free Vector chargers (although nice, because yay free juice) really ought not to be free.

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#2081313 30-Aug-2018 12:19

tripper1000:

Equal range to ICE at the same price will be a game changer irrespective of recharge time.

Extremely fast recharge time marketing is to appeal to people stuck in the ICE liquid fuel mind set. The same people see a lack of charging stations every 5km as a major barrier even though 1,000km range will get you from one end of the island to the other and half way back. It isn't actually a big mind-set change to plug your car in and walk away. The way people (who don't own EV) talk about recharge times being so inconvenient, it seems like they think you have to watch it and do nothing else while it recharges.

At the end of the day most people (well kiwis at least) are cheap skates. Such extremely fast charge technology will require pretty specialised (and costly) recharge equipment which will add to the cost of extremely fast recharging. Given the choice most people who can will recharge on regular fast charger or at home overnight for less $$.

You are correct that 1,000km range on it's own should be game changing.

But ultra-fast charging certainly has appeal. It allows people to continue to be as disorganised as they are now and if you can get a full charge in a few minutes and leave, you can then park your car anywhere ...

BTW people 'stuck' in a liquid fuel mindset are the people EV manufacturers need to convince.

Mike

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