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#1988330 4-Apr-2018 18:16

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/102829290/shane-jones-cant-recall-official-misgivings-about-west-coast-project-he-funded

And the hits keep coming. Shane Jones ignores warning about a project involving a person currently under investigation by the SFO.

Conveniently, he can't "remember"

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#1988337 4-Apr-2018 18:36

networkn:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/102829290/shane-jones-cant-recall-official-misgivings-about-west-coast-project-he-funded

And the hits keep coming. Shane Jones ignores warning about a project involving a person currently under investigation by the SFO.

Conveniently, he can't "remember"

I think there's a bit more to this; from memory there was funds contributed to this under National as well.

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#1988363 4-Apr-2018 20:31

It's obviously fine to post your personal opinion of trams vs light rail vs heavy rail to the airport, going along the motorway vs down Dominon Rd etc etc.

But.. unless you have actually done a shred of research, unless you are a traffic engineer, or are otherwise knowledgeable about the options and what is better and why, then your opinion doesn't really carry much weight.

This website will provide ALL the answers you need on those questions and much, much more:

https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/

Kind regards.

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#1988379 4-Apr-2018 21:00

bmt:

It's obviously fine to post your personal opinion of trams vs light rail vs heavy rail to the airport, going along the motorway vs down Dominon Rd etc etc.

But.. unless you have actually done a shred of research, unless you are a traffic engineer, or are otherwise knowledgeable about the options and what is better and why, then your opinion doesn't really carry much weight.

This website will provide ALL the answers you need on those questions and much, much more:

https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/

Kind regards.

Are you any of those things?

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#1988432 4-Apr-2018 21:54

GV27:

networkn:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/102829290/shane-jones-cant-recall-official-misgivings-about-west-coast-project-he-funded

And the hits keep coming. Shane Jones ignores warning about a project involving a person currently under investigation by the SFO.

Conveniently, he can't "remember"

I think there's a bit more to this; from memory there was funds contributed to this under National as well.

IIRC the SFO investigation was not underway when National hired the company.

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#1988553 5-Apr-2018 09:10

networkn:

bmt:

It's obviously fine to post your personal opinion of trams vs light rail vs heavy rail to the airport, going along the motorway vs down Dominon Rd etc etc.

But.. unless you have actually done a shred of research, unless you are a traffic engineer, or are otherwise knowledgeable about the options and what is better and why, then your opinion doesn't really carry much weight.

This website will provide ALL the answers you need on those questions and much, much more:

https://www.greaterauckland.org.nz/

Kind regards.

Are you any of those things?

I'm going to go out on a limb, and guess No.

Incidentally, neither are the people who publish the blog that is linked to.

(from their website)

Greater Auckland is an independent volunteer-run analysis and advocacy platform for improving the quality of our cities.

Formerly transportblog, we provide evidence based debate on urban form, transport, housing, design, and public space.

Our aim is to foster a greater Auckland for all.

...of course, none of that matters IMHO. Who is making the point is of significantly less importance that the actual point that they are making. We should try to focus on argument put forward, not the person who did so.

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#1988999 5-Apr-2018 18:42

Is this fuel excise duty increase inclusive of GST?

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#1989004 5-Apr-2018 19:12

Geektastic: Is this fuel excise duty increase inclusive of GST?

I presume not. NZ allows taxes to be taxed. This because it's convenient to call taxes by other names, "excise", "rates" etc.

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#1989006 5-Apr-2018 19:16

rjt123: "There will be no new taxes or levies introduced in our first term of Government beyond those we have already announced."
- Grant Robertson

Was the likelihood of a Nationwide fuel levy announced before the election? I couldn't see any record of it.

The fiscal mismanagement legacy of the previous National government:

"National’s roads of national significance – which have been eating up 40 % of the entire transport spend for roads that carry only 4% of the nation’s cars and trucks – is also politically significant. Having harvested votes from the regions at every election, National has proceeded to starve provincial New Zealand of their roading (and related road safety needs) between elections."

"Even National were going to be raising the fuel excise tax by 10-20 cents a litre in order to pay for their Roads of National Significance. So…any which way you look at it, fixing up the past nine years of neglect of our transport needs was always going to involve extra money and some additional hardship. How much? The new draft transport plan unveiled yesterday envisages adding about 3 to 4 cents a litre each year for the next three years, to the cost of petrol."

http://werewolf.co.nz/2018/04/gordon-campbell-on-making-our-roads-safer-less-congested/

HTH

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#1989008 5-Apr-2018 19:19

MaxLV:

"Even National were going to be raising the fuel excise tax by 10-20 cents a litre in order to pay for their Roads of National Significance. So…any which way you look at it, fixing up the past nine years of neglect of our transport needs was always going to involve extra money and some additional hardship. How much? The new draft transport plan unveiled yesterday envisages adding about 3 to 4 cents a litre each year for the next three years, to the cost of petrol."

http://werewolf.co.nz/2018/04/gordon-campbell-on-making-our-roads-safer-less-congested/

HTH

Back to your old tricks trying to point out what the others do, rather than worrying about what the current group are doing. You can just admit it. They lied.

BTW National got that recommendation but had decided against using it, according to Simon Bridges.

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#1989009 5-Apr-2018 19:19

Geektastic:

I see they have begun politicising the Reserve Bank now....

Something the National Party have never done right?

Oh wait, Don Brash. Ever heard of him?

Wikipedia can help you here:

Donald Thomas Brash (born 24 September 1940), formerly a New Zealand politician, was Leader of the Opposition, parliamentary leader of the National Party (the country's main Opposition party at that time) from 28 October 2003 to 27 November 2006 and the leader of the ACT Party from 28 April 2011 to 26 November 2011. Before entering Parliament, Brash was Governor of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand from 1988 to 2002.

HTH.

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#1989018 5-Apr-2018 19:35

Pumpedd:

I feel quite low after hearing Labours transport plan. They seem to be living in their own dream world in the past.

We already have one of the highest taxes in the world on our fuel and they want to add more....not sure why?
We know our state highway network is decades out of date and they want to put it on hold...why
Adding approx. 5% to our fuel will add to inflation just as America and China begin a trade war and the stockmarket dives.
I would like to see a breakdown of the where our fuel and road taxes are spent now. Surely there is enough in that pot unless the Govt intends to skim it to pay for other pet projects.

They are spending a billion dollars a year on so called regional spending, and have given tertiary students a huge double bonus. I shudder to imagine what comes next.

You would have felt even lower if National had had been reelected to the government benches...

"Even National were going to be raising the fuel excise tax by 10-20 cents a litre in order to pay for their Roads of National Significance. So…any which way you look at it, fixing up the past nine years of neglect of our transport needs was always going to involve extra money and some additional hardship. How much? The new draft transport plan unveiled yesterday envisages adding about 3 to 4 cents a litre each year for the next three years, to the cost of petrol."

http://werewolf.co.nz/2018/04/gordon-campbell-on-making-our-roads-safer-less-congested/

So 10-20c a litre increase by National as opposed to a 3-4c litre increase today. Which option are you unhappy with again? And if you are unhappy and want to lay blame on those responsible, contact the honourable Simon Bridges, leader of the opposition, and member of parliament for an appology.

At least the current draft plan is to improve road safety throughout New Zealand, instead of spending 40% of the national transport spend on just 4% of the country's roads that National proposed.

BTW I cant see any problem with road users paying a few cents extra to fuel their vehicles that will be using the improved roads the money is paying for. Why is that a problem for you? Dont you think you should pay your share of road improvements you'll be using.

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#1989019 5-Apr-2018 19:35

MaxLV:

Geektastic:

I see they have begun politicising the Reserve Bank now....

Something the National Party have never done right?

Oh wait, Don Brash. Ever heard of him?

Wikipedia can help you here:

Donald Thomas Brash (born 24 September 1940), formerly a New Zealand politician, was Leader of the Opposition, parliamentary leader of the National Party (the country's main Opposition party at that time) from 28 October 2003 to 27 November 2006 and the leader of the ACT Party from 28 April 2011 to 26 November 2011. Before entering Parliament, Brash was Governor of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand from 1988 to 2002.

HTH.

Ahahaha so because he was RBNZ Gov BEFORE becoming the National Party leader?

Guess it's different to all those ex-TVNZ staffers who joined the Labour Party, were they politicising the state broadcaster then?

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#1989022 5-Apr-2018 19:38

rjt123:
MikeB4:

The main concern I have for these levies is they are seldom used for the purpose for which they are collected. Labour and National lead central government and most Councils are guilty of this legal misappropriation.

I agree with the idea of raising funds to improve our non road based transport systems as the answer to our roading issues is not more road capacity it is less dependence on road transport.

Tbh it doesn't really concern me how the money is distributed, the only exception being a regional levy needs to be spent on that region. Essentially the money all goes in the coffers and the government spends it how it sees fit.

At the end of the day it's just another tax, and providing the government spends the money wisely and effectively I'm happy increasing funding for regional roads is good. Decreasing funding for State Highways is not good. Whether a tram from the AKL airport to the CBD is really going to help congestion is questionable.

As Twyford went on to explain, those reductions will now be addressed :

Instead of hand-picked, low-value, and very expensive urban motorway projects, this Government will double the spending on regional road improvements over the next three years. Half of all vehicle journeys are on local roads, and yet less than only 5 percent of the National Land Transport Programme has been spent on improving them. In order to fund its pet projects, National starved local and regional roads. Spending on local roads only increased by $6 million across the nine years of the last Government. By comparison, the last Labour Government tripled the amount of funding over their nine years. This….Government policy statement, increases local road improvements by 43 percent over the decade.

http://werewolf.co.nz/2018/04/gordon-campbell-on-making-our-roads-safer-less-congested/

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#1989024 5-Apr-2018 19:48

networkn:

MaxLV:

"Even National were going to be raising the fuel excise tax by 10-20 cents a litre in order to pay for their Roads of National Significance. So…any which way you look at it, fixing up the past nine years of neglect of our transport needs was always going to involve extra money and some additional hardship. How much? The new draft transport plan unveiled yesterday envisages adding about 3 to 4 cents a litre each year for the next three years, to the cost of petrol."

http://werewolf.co.nz/2018/04/gordon-campbell-on-making-our-roads-safer-less-congested/

HTH

Back to your old tricks trying to point out what the others do, rather than worrying about what the current group are doing. You can just admit it. They lied.

BTW National got that recommendation but had decided against using it, according to Simon Bridges.

Play the ball, not the man....

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