Donald Trump, US President #47, US President #45, convicted felon, twice impeached, four times indicted, liable of rape, convicted for financial fraud, guilty of hiding hush money payments to porn actress in attempt to influence 2016 elections

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#2365505 3-Dec-2019 10:47

dclegg:

Once again it has me wondering how many decades it will take the US to recover from Trump, and the damage he and his Republican enablers are doing to their long standing worldwide partners.

FTFY.

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#2365523 3-Dec-2019 11:04

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FTFY.

Can't quibble with that, although an addition rather than a rewrite would've worked too. :-)

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#2365533 3-Dec-2019 11:29

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This is an interesting read. An interview with Lisa Page, who was target and demonised by Trump when the Mueller probe was in full swing, and is still referenced by him when he feels the need to lash out

Great article. Trump, like any mob boss, will keep giving abuse as long as you're silent. To him, turning the other cheek just makes you a loser.

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#2365594 3-Dec-2019 12:47

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dclegg:

Once again it has me wondering how many decades it will take the US to recover from Trump, and the damage he and his Republican enablers are doing to their long standing worldwide partners.

FTFY.

This downward slide had been going on for a long time. Think Nixon and his cronies.

The USA is just going the same way as the Roman Empire - just a lot quicker.

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#2365644 3-Dec-2019 13:30

SJB: The USA is just going the same way as the Roman Empire - just a lot quicker.

Prospect Magazine - Ask a classicist: is Donald Trump more of a Caligula or a Nero?

Trump's presidency has given rise to a depressing parlour game

March 6, 2019

For classicists, the times we live in have given rise to an entertaining, if depressing, parlour game: which lunatic/depraved/autocratic Roman emperor does Donald Trump, the 45th president of the United States of America, most resemble?

Caligula might seem an obvious go-to.

According to the scurrilous, highly unreliable and yet utterly enjoyable imperial biographer Suetonius, he made his horse a consul - which, frankly, Trump has all-but done, what with the series of donkeys on whom he has bestowed so many high offices. ...

Nero is a possibility.

Like Trump, he adored performing - in his case in the gladiatorial arena, the reality television of its day, competing in chariot races, or otherwise singing or playing his lyre.

Such was his obsession, writes Suetonius, that he forbade anyone to leave the theatre during his recitals. Women went into labour during these interminable sessions and gave birth. ...

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#2365700 3-Dec-2019 14:58

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According to the scurrilous, highly unreliable and yet utterly enjoyable imperial biographer Suetonius, he made his horse a consul - which, frankly, Trump has all-but done, what with the series of donkeys on whom he has bestowed so many high offices. ...

No question there are some real horse's asses in the cabinet.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#2367737 3-Dec-2019 16:37

SJB:The USA is just going the same way as the Roman Empire - just a lot quicker.

Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh says "been there, done that, and (hiccup) bought the t-shrt ... t-shut ... t-shirt! USA! USA!"

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#2367788 3-Dec-2019 20:06

Completely predictable, from the Republican to Trump standing in front of loud helicopter to cut off questions.

The argument that it wasn't a bribe, because the funds were eventually released.

Let's say you get pulled over for a speeding ticket. You offer the police officer a bribe. He declines, and you still get a ticket. Plus you also get charged for attempted bribery. You don't need to complete a crime to be guilty of one.

It's the so-called "SideShow Bob" defense from the Simpsons.

House Republicans release impeachment report defending Trump's Ukraine pressure

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House Republicans have released their impeachment report Monday criticizing the process as it enters a new phase. Anita Kumar, White House correspondent at Politico, and Sheryl Gay Stolberg, congressional correspondent at the New York Times, join CBSN's "Red & Blue" with the latest on the impeachment process.

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#2367790 3-Dec-2019 20:15

Trump Caught in Absurd Lie About Ivanka and Jobs

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Trump congratulated his daughter Ivanka Trump on creating 14 millions jobs. In reality, the entire economy has only created 6.5 million jobs since 2017.

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#2367817 3-Dec-2019 21:55

kingdragonfly: Trump Caught in Absurd Lie About Ivanka and Jobs

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Trump congratulated his daughter Ivanka Trump on creating 14 millions jobs. In reality, the entire economy has only created 6.5 million jobs since 2017.

It may not be a lie, it could be that 14 Million Jobs in China were added because of the Trumps.

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#2367908 4-Dec-2019 08:55

The Washington Post - House panel’s report says Trump ‘compromised national security to advance his personal political interests’

The New York Times - Impeachment Report Alleges Trump Solicited Foreign Election Interference

BBC News - Trump impeachment evidence overwhelming - House report

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Evidence for impeaching Donald Trump for misconduct in office is "overwhelming", according to the panel leading the US impeachment inquiry.

The president placed personal political interests "above the national interests of the United States," it states in a key report to US House lawmakers.

Evidence of misconduct was overwhelming "and so too is the evidence of his obstruction of Congress," it adds.

The report is designed to lay out the case to remove Mr Trump from office.

He denies any wrongdoing, describing the inquiry as a witch-hunt.

Before the draft report was released, the Republican president had attacked the Democrats-led investigation as "very unpatriotic". ...

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

Boswell tells us that Samuel Johnson made this famous pronouncement on the evening of April 7, 1775.

Boswell assures us that Johnson was not indicting patriotism in general, only false patriotism.

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#2367920 4-Dec-2019 09:30

I really don't understand what the Democrats think the endgame of this impeachment process is. It doesn't matter how guilty Trump is, they won't get the required 2/3 majority in the Senate to convict.

The Republican senators I'm sure aren't naive to Trumps guilt, but they'll vote against conviction regardless of how guilty they know him to be. Impeachment can't be successful when so much of the Republican party is rotten to the core. It's like if 7 out of 12 members of Al Capone's jury were Mafioso.

And as far as the voters are concerned; evidence doesn't matter to die hard Trump supporters, Trump has them convinced it's a witch hunt and "fake news".

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#2367921 4-Dec-2019 09:36

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I really don't understand what the Democrats think the endgame of this impeachment process is.

Exposing Trump's crimes to the wider electorate. That is why the Democrats will be pushing for more witnesses to testify during the Impeachment trial, and Republicans will be pushing for the trial to be conducted solely on the evidence presented during the initial impeachment hearings.

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#2367923 4-Dec-2019 09:39

Trump thinks NATO is good now — after French President Macron criticized it.

I can't help chuckling at the prospect of foreign leaders using reverse psychology on the President of the United States to bend him to their will. That stopped working on my kids years ago.

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#2367926 4-Dec-2019 09:44

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Trump thinks NATO is good now — after French President Macron criticized it.

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