Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

tdgeek:

DaveB:

freitasm: Anonymous will run an operation targeting ISIS.

This is more than some Rambo keyboard-less warriors would do.

I'm not sure whether I should be laughing or cheering at this!

Perhaps this thread can discuss how to eradicate ISIS? Difficult yes, what we say wont be taken into consideration, but a very very difficult question. Well worth brainstorming.

Every country has disadvantaged minorities. Here it is Maori and Pacific Islanders. In France it is Arabs. The only way to stop movements like ISIS is to give young people of all backgrounds genuine equal opportunity. This means no covert racism, no discrimination, living standards the same as the majority population, same educational opportunities, equal employment opportunities. Make sure everyone feels like they are a legitimate part of society. Suicide bombers are people who have given up on life. They feel they have nothing to lose. So give them something to lose.

The day a purple unicorn rides by is the day that will happen.

The only way to deal with rabid dogs is put them down, not give them treats.

networkn: I think as well as those who have been killed and injured and their families etc, I think it's worth sparing a thought or two for the law enforcement, and medical personnel who are putting themselves in harms way during these times. 

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Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

tdgeek:

DaveB:

freitasm: Anonymous will run an operation targeting ISIS.

This is more than some Rambo keyboard-less warriors would do.

I'm not sure whether I should be laughing or cheering at this!

Perhaps this thread can discuss how to eradicate ISIS? Difficult yes, what we say wont be taken into consideration, but a very very difficult question. Well worth brainstorming.

Every country has disadvantaged minorities. Here it is Maori and Pacific Islanders. In France it is Arabs. The only way to stop movements like ISIS is to give young people of all backgrounds genuine equal opportunity. This means no covert racism, no discrimination, living standards the same as the majority population, same educational opportunities, equal employment opportunities. Make sure everyone feels like they are a legitimate part of society. Suicide bombers are people who have given up on life. They feel they have nothing to lose. So give them something to lose.

The day a purple unicorn rides by is the day that will happen.

The only way to deal with rabid dogs is put them down, not give them treats.

SJB: ISIS will eventually fail without any intervention from the West.

All brutal regimes have from Stalin's Russia to Pol Pot's Cambodia although they sometimes last a long time. ISIS have established a de-facto state in parts of Iraq and Syria but when villages or towns are taken back from them they are empty, the original population having either fled or been killed.

You can't build a functioning state without having a large number of willing participants and apart from a few thousand fanatics they have no willing participants. The vast majority of them will lack the skills or intelligence to construct or run any form of society anyway.

Distressing though the attack in Paris and others have been they need to be kept in perspective. You are more likely to be hit by lightning than killed or injured by a terrorist attack even if you live in Afghanistan or Iraq.

The press, politicians and social media have a lot to answer for when these sorts of incidents occur by sensationalising them. President Hollande calling it a war against ISIS will only help in gaining them recruits. He's hopelessly incompetent.

Rikkitic:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

tdgeek:

DaveB:

freitasm: Anonymous will run an operation targeting ISIS.

This is more than some Rambo keyboard-less warriors would do.

I'm not sure whether I should be laughing or cheering at this!

Perhaps this thread can discuss how to eradicate ISIS? Difficult yes, what we say wont be taken into consideration, but a very very difficult question. Well worth brainstorming.

Every country has disadvantaged minorities. Here it is Maori and Pacific Islanders. In France it is Arabs. The only way to stop movements like ISIS is to give young people of all backgrounds genuine equal opportunity. This means no covert racism, no discrimination, living standards the same as the majority population, same educational opportunities, equal employment opportunities. Make sure everyone feels like they are a legitimate part of society. Suicide bombers are people who have given up on life. They feel they have nothing to lose. So give them something to lose.

The day a purple unicorn rides by is the day that will happen.

The only way to deal with rabid dogs is put them down, not give them treats.

What is wrong with preventing them from becoming rabid dogs in the first place? Saves a lot of misery for everyone.

Fred99:

SJB: ISIS will eventually fail without any intervention from the West.

All brutal regimes have from Stalin's Russia to Pol Pot's Cambodia although they sometimes last a long time. ISIS have established a de-facto state in parts of Iraq and Syria but when villages or towns are taken back from them they are empty, the original population having either fled or been killed.

You can't build a functioning state without having a large number of willing participants and apart from a few thousand fanatics they have no willing participants. The vast majority of them will lack the skills or intelligence to construct or run any form of society anyway.

Distressing though the attack in Paris and others have been they need to be kept in perspective. You are more likely to be hit by lightning than killed or injured by a terrorist attack even if you live in Afghanistan or Iraq.

The press, politicians and social media have a lot to answer for when these sorts of incidents occur by sensationalising them. President Hollande calling it a war against ISIS will only help in gaining them recruits. He's hopelessly incompetent.

I don't agree with much of this.  As I understand it, there's some local support from (persecuted) Sunni minorities.  When the villages are "taken back", then by western-assisted forces with drones / fighter jets, air support for ground forces etc - but fighting an ISIS "blended in" with the local community, then who could blame those civilian locals for fleeing? From some reports I've read, life for those locals is better under ISIS than before, they actually did get infrastructure working and their form of law and order installed, which was better than the previous chaos.

As for Hollande's "war on ISIS", well he's a politician - he has to do something.  Unfortunately, it's what they want and expect.  Drop large bombs from aircraft on ISIS occupied towns, and there will be civilian casualties.  These incidents will be played for all they're worth.  There will be a counter and hard-line view that those locals are "harbouring" or "sympathetic to" terrorists.  The reality is that they've probably got no choice. 

It's a huge festering mess - and a "big" problem.  Western support for stable government will always be misinterpreted by persecuted minorities.  Western support has been fickle and subject to changing self-interest, human rights abuse widespread, but western tolerance to it depends who's doing the killing.

Geektastic:

Fred99:

SJB: ISIS will eventually fail without any intervention from the West.

All brutal regimes have from Stalin's Russia to Pol Pot's Cambodia although they sometimes last a long time. ISIS have established a de-facto state in parts of Iraq and Syria but when villages or towns are taken back from them they are empty, the original population having either fled or been killed.

You can't build a functioning state without having a large number of willing participants and apart from a few thousand fanatics they have no willing participants. The vast majority of them will lack the skills or intelligence to construct or run any form of society anyway.

Distressing though the attack in Paris and others have been they need to be kept in perspective. You are more likely to be hit by lightning than killed or injured by a terrorist attack even if you live in Afghanistan or Iraq.

The press, politicians and social media have a lot to answer for when these sorts of incidents occur by sensationalising them. President Hollande calling it a war against ISIS will only help in gaining them recruits. He's hopelessly incompetent.

I don't agree with much of this.  As I understand it, there's some local support from (persecuted) Sunni minorities.  When the villages are "taken back", then by western-assisted forces with drones / fighter jets, air support for ground forces etc - but fighting an ISIS "blended in" with the local community, then who could blame those civilian locals for fleeing? From some reports I've read, life for those locals is better under ISIS than before, they actually did get infrastructure working and their form of law and order installed, which was better than the previous chaos.

As for Hollande's "war on ISIS", well he's a politician - he has to do something.  Unfortunately, it's what they want and expect.  Drop large bombs from aircraft on ISIS occupied towns, and there will be civilian casualties.  These incidents will be played for all they're worth.  There will be a counter and hard-line view that those locals are "harbouring" or "sympathetic to" terrorists.  The reality is that they've probably got no choice. 

It's a huge festering mess - and a "big" problem.  Western support for stable government will always be misinterpreted by persecuted minorities.  Western support has been fickle and subject to changing self-interest, human rights abuse widespread, but western tolerance to it depends who's doing the killing.

Our problem is being unable to keep our noses out. If we had simply sealed the border where we are affected and ignored the messes the occupants of the Middle East are making all would be well.

Certain people can't help but decide it's our "duty" to butt in when they don't run things the way the West thinks they should.

Geektastic: 

Agreed. Your method is too complex and too expensive. Mine is shorter, simpler, cheaper and helps the planet by reducing the population problem....

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

Geektastic:

Rikkitic:

tdgeek:

DaveB:

freitasm: Anonymous will run an operation targeting ISIS.

This is more than some Rambo keyboard-less warriors would do.

I'm not sure whether I should be laughing or cheering at this!

Perhaps this thread can discuss how to eradicate ISIS? Difficult yes, what we say wont be taken into consideration, but a very very difficult question. Well worth brainstorming.

Every country has disadvantaged minorities. Here it is Maori and Pacific Islanders. In France it is Arabs. The only way to stop movements like ISIS is to give young people of all backgrounds genuine equal opportunity. This means no covert racism, no discrimination, living standards the same as the majority population, same educational opportunities, equal employment opportunities. Make sure everyone feels like they are a legitimate part of society. Suicide bombers are people who have given up on life. They feel they have nothing to lose. So give them something to lose.

The day a purple unicorn rides by is the day that will happen.

The only way to deal with rabid dogs is put them down, not give them treats.

What is wrong with preventing them from becoming rabid dogs in the first place? Saves a lot of misery for everyone.

Agreed. Your method is too complex and too expensive. Mine is shorter, simpler, cheaper and helps the planet by reducing the population problem....