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#1764586 14-Apr-2017 23:01

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DarthKermit:

I've never been to the USA and I don't think I'd want to with the way things are presently.

To be honest, in 99% of the country you would have no idea.

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#1764766 15-Apr-2017 17:32

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"Manifestly the most ill-informed, under-prepared, ethically challenged and psychologically ill-equipped president in US history" - Former Australian foreign minister Gareth Evans on Donald Trump.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/the-most-illinformed-underprepared-and-psychologically-illequipped-president-in-us-history-20170412-gvk1tf.html

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#1764769 15-Apr-2017 17:36

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I see he's backed off on North Korea. I'm sure South Korea is happy about that and probably had something to do with it.

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#1764773 15-Apr-2017 17:46

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gzt: I see he's backed off on North Korea. I'm sure South Korea is happy about that and probably had something to do with it.

Where you getting that info from. I suspect there is a strong dialogue with China.

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#1764779 15-Apr-2017 18:17

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I believe NK when they say they are prepared to launch some nukes. They're just crazy enough to do so.

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#1764798 15-Apr-2017 18:53

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gzt: I see he's backed off on North Korea. I'm sure South Korea is happy about that and probably had something to do with it.

Where you getting that info from. I suspect there is a strong dialogue with China.

South Korea has the most to lose in any breakout of hostilities, and zero to gain from escalation. You are right, China would have more influence. Maybe it's a negotiated backdown by both USA and NK, maybe not and Jong Un will test his missile when he wants to.

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#1764802 15-Apr-2017 19:04

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I truly don't know what may happen but Trump's ignorance makes him more dangerous than North Korean paranoia.

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#1764804 15-Apr-2017 19:09

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gzt:
darylblake:

gzt: I see he's backed off on North Korea. I'm sure South Korea is happy about that and probably had something to do with it.

Where you getting that info from. I suspect there is a strong dialogue with China.

South Korea has the most to lose in any breakout of hostilities, and zero to gain from escalation. You are right, China would have more influence. Maybe it's a negotiated backdown by both USA and NK, maybe not and Jong Un will test his missile when he wants to.

He will, KJU. He is happy to aggravate the west, then whine when small things such as normal war games are held or a few ship sail near. he is just playing games, and he gets away with it. Play games, negotiate oil and food. I think that bargaining point is quite used up.

Where is it that the US has backed down?

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#1764809 15-Apr-2017 20:20

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Part of a policy group announcement Friday:

NZHerald (AP Wire) But a U.S. military official, who requested anonymity to discuss planning, said the U.S. doesn't intend to use military force against North Korea in response to either a nuclear test or a missile launch. The official said plans could change in the unlikely event a North Korean missile targets South Korea, Japan or U.S. territory.

The timing of the policy announcement seems designed to reduce tension.

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#1764812 15-Apr-2017 21:16

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Rikkitic:

I truly don't know what may happen but Trump's ignorance makes him more dangerous than North Korean paranoia.

Which Trump('s ignorance)?

* There is Donald, Ivanka, "Jared" (not quite a Trump but he's part of the inner circle, his presence in the secret control meeting room proved it)

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#1764813 15-Apr-2017 21:18

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The thing about US:DPRK relations is that there's a fat blabber-mouthing nuclear-armed lying despot who wasn't elected democratically on one side...

And on the other you've got the difference between a duck (one of its legs are both the same).

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#1764869 16-Apr-2017 09:05

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gzt: Part of a policy group announcement Friday:

NZHerald (AP Wire) But a U.S. military official, who requested anonymity to discuss planning, said the U.S. doesn't intend to use military force against North Korea in response to either a nuclear test or a missile launch. The official said plans could change in the unlikely event a North Korean missile targets South Korea, Japan or U.S. territory.

The timing of the policy announcement seems designed to reduce tension.

That has always been the policy, official or unofficial. The only thing that has changed is the old rant to get oil and food is fading. more pressure goes to PRNK. I can see PRNK acting bad, but silently hoping China brokers a deal. I'd hope that the US cuts off all trade with PRNK, and advises that while it will reduce the so called acts of aggression touted by KJU, the US will shoot any missiles that leave their waters or borders, and that it has no official intention to strike pre-emptively. Cards on the table.

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#1764870 16-Apr-2017 09:15

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I have no issue with the US or Trumps stance and actions on PRNK.

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#1764909 16-Apr-2017 11:17

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Trump doesn't have a "stance" - only a confused mish-mash of half-baked ideas which are the result of listening to an assortment of "advisors" with disparate views.

KJU and his predecessors have been expecting and preparing (militarily and mentally) for what they consider inevitable for 1/2 century. Over that period trying to scare DPRK's leaders into submission with threats and starve them into submission with sanctions don't seem to have been very effective - some might argue counter-productive.

South Korea is most affected by whatever eventuates, there's a presidential election on 9 May, highest polling is a liberal candidate with more conciliatory attitude to relations with DPRK. I'd like to think that escalation of the blabber-war from Trump isn't related to this, but 1/2 century of US behaviour (particularly under Republican rule) suggests otherwise.

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#1764951 16-Apr-2017 11:48

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North Korean officials seem to be genuinely paranoid. They appear to believe, with some justification, that America wants to invade them. They are convinced that their only guarantee of survival is to possess sufficient military might to make any invasion attempt too costly to contemplate. They see nukes as the great equaliser. As long as they feel safe, they are not necessarily overly dangerous. They are still crazy, to be sure, and they will do crazy things like kidnap foreigners in their own countries and execute political prisoners with anti-aircraft guns and carry out assassinations overseas, but they probably won't march on South Korea.

The key to containing North Korea until the leadership hopefully implodes of its own accord, is to not upset the status quo. If they don't feel threatened, they won't threaten others, except with words. Yet along comes a US president making threats and showing force and blowing things up. How do you think that is going to affect someone who is already paranoid? You don't talk a nut job with a gun down by threatening them with a bigger gun. It doesn't matter that you have a bigger gun. Bluster and threats are not the way to get results in a situation like this.

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